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Old 8th Oct 2019, 19:41
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BACKSTOP

Every time I hear this word it conjures up in my imagination a vision of a gigantic cork ready to be inserted into the posterior parts of some doubled- up -in- agony - faceless Joe Public. So I thought one way to get rid of such a vision is to understand what it really means and how it got there. So off I went and after a few taps on the key board came up with :htdoubled uptps://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1019/1005373-backstop-tony-connelly/

Having read it, I decided to look for one by Billy Connelly, might make better sense I thought.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 20:35
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The Benn Act says we cannot leave with a No Deal.
No it doesn’t.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 20:45
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Good grief!!!

Not exactly helpful.
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 06:48
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Good grief!!!

Not exactly helpful.
Nothing like alienating the UK further than we already are and will be in the future ......says a lot about their underlying feelings really and the cosmetic veneer of respectability they like to project. .

Meanwhile, this report should set a few more alarm bells ringing as to the future.......but probably won't for those so obsessed with leaving at any cost, no matter the detrimental effects. Thankfully, aviation won't be affected, so that's ok........apart from those inconsequential little people who may not wish to fly and prefer other forms of transport that is.........

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-plan-released

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Old 9th Oct 2019, 07:19
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Wow. That tweet about Merkel is incredibly poor taste and factually not entirely true either. But it shows Leave.EU’s ignorance.

If the pound continues to drop aviation will be affected. Fewer / cheaper holidays will be booked. Less margins whilst the lease / fuel price have to be paid in a different currency. Same applies for the EU market but to a lesser extend as most customers remain in EU territory for their holidays.
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 09:26
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Impossible to accept as current UK law prohibits an internal customs border in the UK between NI and the mainland.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...live-9zm5qltvt

EU throws Boris Johnson a lifeline over Irish backstop

The EU is ready to make a major concession on a Brexit deal by providing a mechanism for the Northern Irish assembly to leave a new Irish backstop after a set number of years, The Times has learnt.

Diplomatic sources close to the talks said European governments are prepared to concede a unilateral revocation of the withdrawal treaty by Stormont after a period of time. The date of 2025 has been mooted, as long as both communities agree to it.

Last week’s proposals from the UK contained a controversial measure which the EU said would essentially give the DUP a veto. It is one of the major sticking points to getting a deal. Diplomats cite the Good Friday agreement’s commitment to “parity of esteem” for both the unionist and nationalist communities as the reasoning behind having a “double majority”. A European source has now told The Times: “A landing zone on consent could be a double majority within Stormont, to leave, not to continue with the arrangements after X years.”

Under the UK government proposals Northern Ireland would align itself with the EU’s single market rules but not remain inside the customs union.

In return for giving Stormont a “lock” over the deal in the future, the EU wants the government to accept a customs border in the Irish Sea because it will have a time limit if the people of Northern Ireland agree the arrangements do not benefit them. “With the consent mechanism there is no real political reason for the UK to have a separate customs border that is distinct from another regulatory border as Northern Ireland can decide,” said the source.

EU negotiators do not accept the government’s logic of having two borders, a regulatory one in Irish Sea and customs one on the island of Ireland, and see the new consent offer, unimaginable just a few months ago, as a potential breakthrough.

The offer is seen as an eleventh hour attempt to find a “landing zone” for a deal before the weekend and a make-or-break” summit for European leaders next week.......

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Old 9th Oct 2019, 12:30
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The special sitting of parliament now on the 19th October could be interesting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49984367

One of the motions possibly being to revoke Article 50 altogether.
Maybe Brexit could be killed off?
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 13:12
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ORAC; it looks like it does and I can understand why it has been termed the Surrender Act as it requires the PM to agree to whatever date the EU proposes. What a way to run a negotiation!

My 21 year old likens it to going into a car showroom and telling the sales manager that you are not leaving until you have been sold a car.

She's an ex-remainer now she's a "please get us out and let us get on with life"er

ORAC; Apologies you could well be right that the Benn (Surrender) Act doesn't completely prevent a "Noel Edmonds" departure.

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Old 9th Oct 2019, 13:13
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Impossible to accept as current UK law prohibits an internal customs border in the UK between NI and the mainland.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...live-9zm5qltvt

EU throws Boris Johnson a lifeline over Irish backstop...


The offer is seen as an eleventh hour attempt to find a “landing zone” for a deal before the weekend and a make-or-break” summit for European leaders next week.......

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I suppose the law could be changed given time. Which we haven't got.
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 15:24
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Oh dear, this is even worse, now who is not meddling in politics...

A Scottish court has delayed a decision on whether to sign a letter requesting a Brexit extension if Boris Johnson refuses to do so.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-49975066
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 15:36
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NutLoose; so a Scottish Court could actually take it upon itself to sign a letter on behalf of the whole UK to request a Brexit extension? I find that absolutely breathtaking.

The premise that the Scottish High Court could use their power of nobile officium to interfere in Scottish politics let alone UK wide politics is against every non-political partisan principle in the history of the Courts.

Here's an interesting article on the Supreme Court
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 15:45
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And even worse meddling......

Sky News reporting that David Sassoli, the Italian president of the European Parliament, says he has been in negotiations with John Bercow, the Speaker, over the terms of an extension, and they may demand the UK holds another referendum.

Tell me again about the separation of powers between the legislature and the executive so respected by the Supreme Court......
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 15:56
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
My 21 year old likens it to going into a car showroom and telling the sales manager that you are not leaving until you have been sold a car.
..I'd like to modify your analogy...

Its like walking in to exchange your current car for a new car, then walking away with no car!.
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 16:02
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ORAC; you mean this little speech? If he was any more nervous he'd fall off his chair....
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 16:04
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OilCan; nope, that's a completely different negotiation.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 08:19
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EU throws Johnson a lifeline?

It might look good as he flounders in the deep water but imagine his expression when he realises on catching it that it’s the end of a heavy chain..........
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 09:12
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So, LnS and the subsequent poster feel that having trained legal minds appointed to high office acting on behalf of supplicants is a BAD thing whereas allowing the wishes of a MINORITY (17.4 out of 60+) is GOOD thing? As regards the Scots acting on behalf of the UNITED Kingdom, we insular 'Little Islanders' have taken it upon ourselves to legislate for everyone else, so why not some 'sauce for the gander'? Why do I keep getting flashbacks to childhood and the frequent - "It's my ball, so I get to make the rules!" Surely, (Don't call me Shirley), there couldn't be something childish in these International negotiations?
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 09:29
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Just another little |Brexit bonus in the news today- the proper news that is.
No more EHIC/E 111 health coverage cards. Government seeks to continue the scheme but as with trade deals its not what we want its what others think 3 out of 25 have agreed-Ireland, Spain and Portugal

No advice from Mr White powder on this except buy health insurance . Which doesnt cover pre exsiting conditions and is expensive if you have several children or past 60. Another little cost to add up with all the others. Thank you ERG
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 09:31
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allowing the wishes of a MINORITY (17.4 out of 60+) is GOOD thing?
Some people really do warp the facts to suit their own agenda.

Regardless of whether you voted leave or remain one of the things that astounds me most is the willingness for people to completely disregard our hard won democratic rights because it suits them this time around. This is a very dangerous precedent to set and next time you might be on the other side having your own vote disregarded.

Leave or remain the thing I am most adamant must be maintained is our right to have our vote carried out and losers consent.

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Old 10th Oct 2019, 09:42
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Some people really do warp the facts to suit their own agenda.

Regardless of whether you voted leave or remain one of the things that astounds me most is the willingness for people to completely disregard our hard won democratic rights because it suits them this time around. This is a very dangerous precedent to set and next time you might be on the other side having your own vote disregarded.

Leave or remain the thing I am most adamant must be maintained is our right to have our vote carried out and losers consent.
You are right of course. That's the downside of democracy.
Brexit is going to be a disaster for this country, but that's what people voted for and therefore it has to happen.
With the greatest sadness I accepted that from day one and have never called for another referendum.
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