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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 08:51
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
I am not surprised ;-)
I don't follow any extreme news from either side.
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 08:55
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
As I don't follow extreme left news, I've never heard or read such comments. Oh, you quoted the "Independent"? I don't read it either.
Which papers do you read?
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 08:58
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One would hope that proponents of both sides of the debate are better informed than F E D's last input would indicate. On evidence presented, the hope is "more honoured in the breach than the observance" as Mr S would have it.
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 09:03
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I seem to recall from school history lessons many years ago that a young "pip-squeak" country, or rather a bunch of disparate "Colonials", decided to seek more autonomy from the Empire. They managed it, albeit via a war, but seem to have flourished in the intervening 200 odd years. Unfortunately, today we don't seem to have the visionary leaders who can forsee the imminent demise of the current "Evil Empire" and the prospects of a bright future unshackled from unnecessary protectionist rules which stymie progress. But, hey what would I know i only live on both sides of La Manche.
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 09:04
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On the beach,

Seriously? Are you seriously attempting to draw such a comparison?

Utter nonsense!

Oh, and those "unnecessary protectionist rules" are what got you your free weekends, paid holidays, protected employment rights, safe working conditions, safe food free from poisons etc etc etc,
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 09:10
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
On the beach,

Seriously? Are you seriously attempting to draw such a comparison?

Utter nonsense!

Oh, and those "unnecessary protectionist rules" are what got you your free weekends, paid holidays, protected employment rights, safe working conditions, safe food free from poisons etc etc etc,
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 09:21
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pr00ne;

As I still have my posts checked before they are actually posted (this will be outdated), we await the Boris Deal speech at conference.

If he has no deal:
​​​​​
There could be an extension.
A new PM.
A 4th referendum.
An election.
A withdrawal of Art 50.

All option could lead to remaining in the EU.

You may find you self voting to remain again. As the chickens come home to roost, you may be joined by many who didn't get around to voting or previously voted leave. Many didn't vote for a no deal Brexit. Very few people need to change their mind.
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 09:35
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Originally Posted by CargoMatatu View Post
Add me to that
If anyone voted for the UK to leave the EU because they thought it would be like moving to a vast undeveloped continent with unlimited free natural resources, they were very sadly mistaken.
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 10:47
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Originally Posted by On the beach View Post
I seem to recall from school history lessons many years ago that a young "pip-squeak" country, or rather a bunch of disparate "Colonials", decided to seek more autonomy from the Empire. They managed it, albeit via a war, but seem to have flourished in the intervening 200 odd years. Unfortunately, today we don't seem to have the visionary leaders who can forsee the imminent demise of the current "Evil Empire" and the prospects of a bright future unshackled from unnecessary protectionist rules which stymie progress. But, hey what would I know i only live on both sides of La Manche.
Just to let you know: the "Evil Empire" has been asking you to leave since the 31st of March, and "The Rebels" skipped the first opportunity to leave, asking for an extension (with a second one possibly coming at the end of this month, who knows).

So your story doesn't make any sense, unless the UK is the "Evil Empire" (again) and the EU "The Rebels"...

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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 12:38
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
On the beach,

Seriously? Are you seriously attempting to draw such a comparison?
Maybe On the beach's post was tongue-in-cheek.
Knowing both sides of la Manche, he might be more informed than the Twitter lot...

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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 14:09
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Noel, The Nip, Harley, is that accurate ?
Fly, my friend I would hope that it does not happen in the way the newspaper speculates. I would also absolutely condemn such a thing, unlike yourself when you raised the spectre of French workers setting fire to British trucks in France. The problem here is really what you and I see as justifiable; I do not believe violence of that nature is justified, unfortunately you really give the impression that you are looking forward to seeing the burning lorries. Shameful.
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 16:06
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2 Borders, 4 Years

I’m not sure if it’s incompetence or short termism that’s led to the current UK proposals.

If it’s the former, then it would appear that PM Johnson et al, have an uncanny knack to make difficult things incredibly complicated and unworkable.

Faced with the clear, pretty binary choice for Northern Ireland of in essence where to place 1 border, to align the region with one regulatory framework or the other (UK or EU), the No.10 Brains Trust decided that 2 borders was better than 1 and some alignment for people, businesses and farmers with bits of each system would be the most sensible. And to make it more complex, they’ve tacked on the ability for a non-functioning devolved assembly to have a say in the next step.

If it’s the latter, then HMGov has rolled back on existing negotiated positions, ignored everything their negotiating counterparts have said and potentially walked away from one of the most high profile international agreements the UK has entered into in the latter half of the 20th century. One that is lodged with the UN, is fully backed by EU, was shaped and helped to come to fruition by and retains the full support of the US, namely the Good Friday Agreement/Belfast Agreement.

Can’t wait to see them trying to build confidence and trust in international trade negotiations.

JAS
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 20:40
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JAS - you appear to be registering surprise ... Why?
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 21:34
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Originally Posted by Just a spotter View Post
Faced with the clear, pretty binary choice for Northern Ireland of in essence where to place 1 border, to align the region with one regulatory framework or the other (UK or EU), the No.10 Brains Trust decided that 2 borders was better than 1 and some alignment for people, businesses and farmers with bits of each system would be the most sensible.
Canít wait to see them trying to build confidence and trust in international trade negotiations.
He is in a fix.
Since the two possible solutions with one border had been proposed by the EU, he had to come out with something 'different', to not appear to surrender.
Had the EU been more clever, they could have proposed the 2 border affair, so he'd have come up with just one.
Wait a minute...not 3 borders ?!?

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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 21:40
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Originally Posted by Just a spotter View Post
2 Borders, 4 Years

Iím not sure if itís incompetence or short termism thatís led to the current UK proposals.

If itís the former, then it would appear that PM Johnson et al, have an uncanny knack to make difficult things incredibly complicated and unworkable.

Faced with the clear, pretty binary choice for Northern Ireland of in essence where to place 1 border, to align the region with one regulatory framework or the other (UK or EU), the No.10 Brains Trust decided that 2 borders was better than 1 and some alignment for people, businesses and farmers with bits of each system would be the most sensible. And to make it more complex, theyíve tacked on the ability for a non-functioning devolved assembly to have a say in the next step.

If itís the latter, then HMGov has rolled back on existing negotiated positions, ignored everything their negotiating counterparts have said and potentially walked away from one of the most high profile international agreements the UK has entered into in the latter half of the 20th century. One that is lodged with the UN, is fully backed by EU, was shaped and helped to come to fruition by and retains the full support of the US, namely the Good Friday Agreement/Belfast Agreement.

Canít wait to see them trying to build confidence and trust in international trade negotiations.

JAS
I watched it today and entertained a vague hope he had an actual plan. No really I'm really that naive. But no.
He wants a no deal clearly.

But he has the Benn thing.

Complicated really.
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 21:47
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Hate to point out the obvious but handing over Northern Ireland to the Irish would solve the problem entirely. Really it's just a drain on the English taxpayer and in reality no one wants Northern Ireland on the books.

Bit of a disaster for the Republic but the EU would help.

Then England could go off and seek it's destiny, reclaim it's empire maybe?
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 21:56
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
you raised the spectre of French workers setting fire to British trucks in France.
If you're afraid of spectres, why conjure them ?

Do your best to negotiate deals, allow your partners to continue working in a peaceful way, respect them, act just like...well...fair and helpful future - ex partners.
And once and for all, forget about that stupid far rightish Eu-bashing...
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 21:57
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Originally Posted by Steepclimb View Post
Hate to point out the obvious but handing over Northern Ireland to the Irish would solve the problem entirely. Really it's just a drain on the English taxpayer and in reality no one wants Northern Ireland on the books.

Bit of a disaster for the Republic but the EU would help.

Then England could go off and seek it's destiny, reclaim it's empire maybe?
You could say the same about Scotland. They want to stay in the EU and are a drain on the English taxpayer.
And Wales - they are certainly a drain on the English taxpayer.
Doesn't leave much of the UK though.
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 22:09
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Originally Posted by Steepclimb View Post
it's just a drain on the English taxpayer
You hit the nail on the head : the English are sick at the idea that their money could help someone else.
How many 'we're net contributors' have we not seen on this forum ? How many 'Scotland is in deficit', etc. ?

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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 07:34
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You hit the nail on the head : the English are sick at the idea that their money could help someone else.
You fail to explain why you think that's a bad thing.
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