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Old 26th Sep 2019, 09:09
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Originally Posted by akindofmagic View Post
The alternative if the EU doesn't is that we stay in and do everything we can to destroy it from within. I'm sure that Mr Farage would see that as quite a good fun second prize.
The worst outcome for everyone would be a No-Deal exit.
The second worst for Europe would be a revokation of Article 50.



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Old 26th Sep 2019, 09:10
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https://www.thecurrency.news/article...sell-uk-assets


The unlawful proroguing of parliament was swiftly followed by the mass dismissal of moderate backbenchers. The shocking and nonchalant disregard for consequence has been noted with growing bemusement around the globe. Notwithstanding the belated panic blustering forth from the DUP or the latest musings of Jean Claude Junker, the shocking denouncement of a Halloween amputation from the EU is now the looming outcome.

In truth, whatever the coming weeks may bring, the prospect of violent social upheaval in the UK is now real and rising. The powerful issuer of the global reserve currency a century ago is now a feeble minnow high on delusion and increasingly in the grip of a domineering White House. Diminished and shrinking, Brexit is accelerating the process of decline with a widespread rupture now underway.

For long-term investors, the message is equally clear. Societal collapse is invariably bad for asset prices: it’s time to sell UK-related assets. Sterling has proven overvalued against every major currency since the Empire began to contract. As that process skids towards chaotic finality, there is no reason to expect that trend to change. Tragically, the ghost of Denis Healy is once again stalking 11 Downing Street.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 09:21
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
The worst outcome for everyone would be a No-Deal exit.
The second worst for Europe would be a revokation of Article 50.
Sorry, i disagree:
The worst outcome is extention, extention, extention,...
Get it done now, deal or no-deal...
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 09:22
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Wow !
Any comments about The Currency background, credibility etc. ?
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 09:24
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Originally Posted by ThorMos View Post
Sorry, i disagree:
The worst outcome is extention, extention, extention,...
Get it done now, deal or no-deal...
Fair enough ;-)
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 09:37
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Matthew Pennycook: Labour MP resigns as Shadow Brexit Minister to 'focus efforts' on campaigning for Remain

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...ain/ar-AAHQsdf
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 09:45
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Wiggy,

Tragically, I believe the article you posted to be largely true. For the last hundred or so years, the decline of British influence in the world has been plain for all to see. Whether Brexit will lead to civil unrest may be an overstatement. I voted to remain and believe that the British electorate was lied to by Boris and others. I now accept that Britain will have to leave the EU but to do so without a deal will definitely harm the British people and the economy.

It now appears that Boris, Gove and company have done very little to negotiate a deal. Watching Gove in Parliament stating the country was well prepared was pathetic. He claimed that industry leaders were content with the government's preparations when, in fact, they said no such thing.

I am glad I now live in France!
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 10:11
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https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Inde...f-919dabd023a2


Off we go again, live feed for those abroad..
1st debate is in regard to UK response to recent events in Hong Kong.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 10:18
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Originally Posted by Bergerie1 View Post
I now accept that Britain will have to leave the EU but to do so without a deal will definitely harm the British people and the economy.
Modern economies are so intertwined that the hickups in British economy will ripple throughout Europe.

Originally Posted by Bergerie1 View Post
It now appears that Boris, Gove and company have done very little to negotiate a deal.
Utter incompetence on top of lazyness. He didn't come up with *any* proposal at all.
Were it not for the British public inability to read news from another country, he would have been ousted even by the most convinced brexiters.

What's interesting is, what will they do when - and if - things get going in earnest. When they'll have to come up within with something tangible for the fisheries, the car industry, food supply deals ?

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Old 26th Sep 2019, 10:31
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Don't you just love the certainty of people who know they have no business being certain about anything and happily speak on behalf of the great British public which oddly they take to hold the same views as they do.
The problem with the backstop is it provides a lethal negotiating tool in all those negotiations.
Once upon a time we could have settled for a straightforward customs union but attitudes have hardened.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 10:34
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Originally Posted by Bergerie1 View Post
Wiggy,

Tragically, I believe the article you posted to be largely true. For the last hundred or so years, the decline of British influence in the world has been plain for all to see. Whether Brexit will lead to civil unrest may be an overstatement. I voted to remain and believe that the British electorate was lied to by Boris and others. I now accept that Britain will have to leave the EU but to do so without a deal will definitely harm the British people and the economy.

It now appears that Boris, Gove and company have done very little to negotiate a deal. Watching Gove in Parliament stating the country was well prepared was pathetic. He claimed that industry leaders were content with the government's preparations when, in fact, they said no such thing.

I am glad I now live in France!
With hindsight, a case can be made that the decline of the UK in the global ‘world power’ rankings has been a relatively constant theme of the 20th century. Arguably being on the winning team for both world wars (although to listen to some of the more right wing press and politicians in the UK today you’d swear it was a solo win), delayed the decline although post WWII the decline was more pronounced.

I’d argue that the low point of the decline was the 1970’s, the downward spiral momentum from the 50’s and 60’s and external factors leading to the 3 day working week, the IMF bailout (surprising how many people I speak to in the UK are unaware of the 1976 IMF loan to keep the lights on https://www.ft.com/content/3b583050-...b-680c49b4b4c0 ), the collapse of civil society in Northern Ireland on the back of Westminister's indifference to the sectarian administration and the continued weakness in the currency. All of which leads to the arrival of one Margret Thatcher … the rest is as they say, history.

But this is possibly best suited to a separate thread.

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Old 26th Sep 2019, 10:38
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I now accept that Britain will have to leave the EU but to do so without a deal will definitely harm the British people and the economy.
What makes it definite in your mind when even the experts cannot agree? Also how long will this harmful period last and how severe will it be? Will it be 1 day? 1 week? 1 decade?

If you are suggesting that no action should be taken that will harm the UK economy then this needs to be defined. When people vote for something via a democratic process then to overrule that based on the opinions of experts then you are effectively putting those experts powers above the wishes of the people and we no longer function as a democracy. Many of these experts are in industry so do we really want to go down a route where business leaders have the power to overturn the people? This seems to be what Labour and the Lib Dems are asking for.

It could be argued that many decisions have been taken that have harmed the UK economy. Going to war against the Nazi's bankrupted us, providing aid to numerous countries and disaster relief etc. all cost and don't give us any profit so were we wrong to do all those things? When do the projections of business leaders and so called experts trump the will of the people? Who decides? Where does that lead us?

The one thing leave and remainers have always agreed on was that there would be some short term pain. Leavers thought it a price worth paying to be out of the EU. Remainers seem to have concentrated more on that short term pain than selling a future within the EU as a price worth paying for causing untold damage to our democracy. They have purposely made those negative effects worse by obstructing and delaying brexit. Had we worked together form the start on no deal there is a god chance a good deal would have come our way. Even if we had left on the original date with ND then much of the worst effects would have likely been sorted by now and we could start looking at a new future outside the EU. No doubt with those who couldn't accept the vote being as obstructive as possible at every step.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 10:43
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Utter incompetence on top of lazyness. He didn't come up with *any* proposal at all.
Were it not for the British public inability to read news from another country,
Your contempt for the UK is noted, if you speak to anyone in industry or government however you would know that a lot has, and is, being done to negate the effects of Brexit. The longer they draw it out the less those effects will be.

Remainers are losing their bargaining power and as a result shifting their aims from 2nd ref and GE to complete revoke.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 11:01
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Originally Posted by felixflyer View Post
Remainers are losing their bargaining power and as a result shifting their aims from 2nd ref and GE to complete revoke.
The big question to ask now. Having seen what is on offer with the May Deal and what is on offer with a no deal exit from the EU, how would all the Leavers now vote? If given the opportunity in a 4th Referendum.

If you are confident the result will be the same or better for leave you have nothing to worry about.

​If you think many who voted leave before would now vote remain then you are upholding the rights of the majority.

Either way you are supporting and defending democracy and the majority. Good for you I say.

Watching and waiting.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 11:20
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Originally Posted by felixflyer View Post
Your contempt for the UK is noted, if you speak to anyone in industry or government however you would know that a lot has, and is, being done to negate the effects of Brexit. The longer they draw it out the less those effects will be.

Remainers are losing their bargaining power and as a result shifting their aims from 2nd ref and GE to complete revoke.
Exactly - They are running scared and will do whatever they can to not have a General Election. They want the catch 22 of not being able to leave on a no deal but not being able to agree on any deal either.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 11:32
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Originally Posted by felixflyer View Post
Your contempt for the UK is noted, if you speak to anyone in industry or government however you would know that a lot has, and is, being done to negate the effects of Brexit
I'm sorry sir, but what's wrong with saying that BJ is incompetent, and didn't come up with any considered proposition ?

Concerning mitigation of Brexit, feel free to elaborate on what you know has actually be prepared.

As to contempt for other people, isn't the best way out of it to learn about their language, culture, political system, etc.?
The ball is in your court, sir...

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Old 26th Sep 2019, 11:35
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The big question to ask now. Having seen what is on offer with the May Deal and what is on offer with a no deal exit from the EU, how would all the Leavers now vote? If given the opportunity in a 4th Referendum.

If you are confident the result will be the same or better for leave you have nothing to worry about.

​If you think many who voted leave before would now vote remain then you are upholding the rights of the majority.

Either way you are supporting and defending democracy and the majority. Good for you I say.

Watching and waiting.
Watching & waiting for what?

What are you suggesting?

I don't think those who voted leave would now vote remain at all. Quite the opposite, leave would win by a larger amount.

What I and other leavers do protest against is one that also includes a remain option as it is a purposeful attempt to rig an election by splitting the leave vote.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 11:46
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Concerning mitigation of Brexit, feel free to elaborate on what you know has actually be prepared
Well here is a start for you

Mark Carney has said the impact of a no-deal Brexit would be less severe than first thought, saying that preparations for a disorderly departure had helped to reduce the likely hit to the UK economy.
Ask anyone working in the government though and they will probably tell you they have been very busy over the last year or so.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 11:47
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The referendum was NOT binding
Had it been binding it would have been declared void by the electoral commission on grounds of dishonesty in campaigning and funding
As leaving is apparently so wonderful the simplest course is another referendum which leave will win in communist style by 99% to 1% and yet this is completely unacceptable and so one has to ask why
Afraid of what happens to those who take Putins money and don't deliver
Cannot abide losing control to 'foreigners, none of whom it seems as as hapless as our own Government- lying to the head of state, what happens next time Boris says just sign here queenie its all legal
Lose billions gained from short selling the entire UK economy for personal gain.

Welcome to Britain, land of liars, at the moment BJ makes even trump look good

So any reasons why we cannot have a second referendum
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 11:52
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Pax that post is full of so many inaccuracies, untruths and pure BS that I don't even know where to start replying.
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