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Old 10th Sep 2019, 10:13
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Any chances to see some considered, well substantiated and non-derogatory arguments in favour of Brexit on this forum ?
Not if the last 3 years are anything to go by, Iím sorry to say.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 10:21
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Avionker

There have been. You either havenít read carefully enough or have chosen to ignore them.

And no, Iím not going to repeat them for you.

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Old 10th Sep 2019, 10:25
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
Bercrow is a slavering slave to his over sexed wife.
You sound jealous. No luck with the ladies?
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 10:53
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
And no, I’m not going to repeat them for you.


And why not ?
Are they so deeplyl burried you might be unable to unearth them ?
Or are they no longer valid now that actual facts and numbers have emerged ?

BTW, just questions, my friend, not trying to infer you didn't read correctly, ignore things etc.^^!
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 10:57
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Originally Posted by Grayfly View Post
I tend to agree. Boris is a professional liar, he earned a living doing that. Cummings has proved previously that honesty is for losers. As an election strategy. Boris (we the people) versus Parliament ticks all the populist boxes and could easily follow the Trump playbook. We'll get the Irish to build a border and they can pay for it, drain the swamp of remainers etc.
A comparison that is far from valid, the UK Government dont want a border and hardly want to stop migration from Eire

I do agree with the swamp draining bit, though to be honest by the noises they constantly make they hate the UK so much they might be better off in Brussels the land of the free (to toe the line)
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 10:58
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Probably be mentioned before .... Have just received my new passport and notice the words "European Union" no longer adorn the front cover. (It's still that maroon colour though!)
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 11:08
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Fly Airpt

Iím not going to repeat the reasons because I previously posted them and I still believe them. If anyone cares enough they can search my posts but Iím not going to do the work for them.

I realise it is hard for some to believe, but some of us voted for Brexit for reasons other than those outlined in the Guardian and the BBC.

We are well aware of the potential consequences but are unperturbed.

As I have said to others previously, I donít expect to convince you but please donít take it as a personal mission to change my mind either.

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Old 10th Sep 2019, 11:14
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My reason for voting to leave was that I did not want the UK to be one of twenty eight states in a Federation of a United States of Europe ruled from Brussels ( or where ever it happens to be in any given month ). Remainers turn a blind eye to this yet they cannot deny the ongoing unification. Perhaps the EU parliament, it's flag. it's national anthem, it's ambassadors etc. aren't evidence enough.
I have no objections to being in a trading arrangement with the EU but it's evolved into far more than that.
Would some Remainer like to say how he foresees the EU in a few years time ?
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 11:30
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Originally Posted by Alsacienne View Post
Remember that there were many Britons living and working in the EU who were disenfranchised because they had been away from the Mother Ship for 15 years or more. Had UK law not forbidden us to do so, the polls would show a substantially higher percentage participation and might well have had a different outcome. Do not confuse laziness, lack of interest or motivation with being legally impotent.
There were also, to my direct knowledge, a significant number of expats who were entitled to vote but who lost out because the postal vote system was putting politely, rather "sub-optimal..."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7103066.html

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Old 10th Sep 2019, 11:34
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Originally Posted by papajuliet View Post
Would some Remainer like to say how he foresees the EU in a few years time?
I foresee the EU a lot better off in a few years' time without the constant bitching of the UK and our wanting to keep the special privileges. But still with the benefits of the Human Rights written by the UK - that we ourselves may have dropped. And much less troubled by countries wanting to leave - the Italian exiters have already given up after seeing what happened to the UK.

How do you see the UK in a few years' time?
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 11:41
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I foresee the EU a lot better off in a few years' time without the constant bitching of the UK and our wanting to keep the special privileges. But still with the benefits of the Human Rights written by the UK - that we ourselves may have dropped. And much less troubled by countries wanting to leave - the Italian exiters have already given up after seeing what happened to the UK.

How do you see the UK in a few years' time?
If the EU could find a way to get shot of Denmark and much of the Visegrad group it would be in even better shape - it would look pretty much like the group of countries that started the whole thing off!!

.....and the UK. Even more in hock, and reliant upon the alleged "special relationship" with the USA. Great joy (not)!
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 11:49
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
We are well aware of the potential consequences but are unperturbed.

As I have said to others previously, I donít expect to convince you but please donít take it as a personal mission to change my mind either.
Where did you see it was about changing people's minds ?
I was just asking about well considered arguments in favour of Brexit on this forum.
Anyone able to provide some is most welcome.
And you're most welcome providing none, sir.

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Old 10th Sep 2019, 11:52
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Originally Posted by papajuliet View Post
My reason for voting to leave was that I did not want the UK to be one of twenty eight states in a Federation of a United States of Europe ruled from Brussels ( or where ever it happens to be in any given month ). Remainers turn a blind eye to this yet they cannot deny the ongoing unification. Perhaps the EU parliament, it's flag. it's national anthem, it's ambassadors etc. aren't evidence enough.
I have no objections to being in a trading arrangement with the EU but it's evolved into far more than that.
Would some Remainer like to say how he foresees the EU in a few years time ?
Awww, bless . Another lured by the eternal urban myth of a United States of Europe.

To answer your question however. Considerably better of without the crŤche level politics and petulance of the UK along with prospering as a developing organisation unifying, rather than dividing, Europe.

Now ask me where I think the UK will be in comparison ....ok, to save you asking....struggling, still in political turmoil, being more and more dependent on a one sided trade "deal " with Trump Inc. enduring a recession with job losses and rising prices........and with the population slowly but surely beginning to realise the crock of gold at the end of a rainbow is more likely than the UK benefitting in any remote way after our act of political and ideological self harm by voting to Leave.

Cameron is due to have his book published very soon...there's also a documentary planned.....I kindly mentioned this earlier, so you will be able to be enthralled when Dave tells us all why it was such a top hole whizzo idea to hold a referendum ......

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Old 10th Sep 2019, 11:54
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Originally Posted by papajuliet View Post
My reason for voting to leave was that I did not want the UK to be one of twenty eight states in a Federation of a United States of Europe ruled from Brussels ( or where ever it happens to be in any given month ).
Thanks for providing your reason for leaving.

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Old 10th Sep 2019, 11:59
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I have provided plenty. All you have to do is click search. As a point of principle I wonít do it for you.

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Old 10th Sep 2019, 13:06
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Vote Labour..... Vote Leave.... or erm Remain...... You couldn't make it up, but they have.

Jeremy Corbyn has promised a further referendum on Brexit with a "credible Leave option" if his party wins the next general election.
But some senior party figures - close Corbyn allies - say they will campaign to stay in the EU in any circumstances, even if Labour negotiates its own deal.They include shadow chancellor John McDonnell and shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry, who have both said remaining would be the best thing for the UK.
Mr Corbyn has been meeting union leaders to discuss the issue.

He has not said whether he would campaign for Remain or a Labour Leave deal if he became prime minister.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49646544

Hmmmmm and I have thought of a little ditty for their campain (Spelling deliberate)

You put your left leg in
your left leg out
in, out, in, out
you shake it all about
You do the hokey cokey
and you turn around
that's what it's all about
Woah, the hokey cokey
woah, the hokey cokey
woah, the hokey cokey
that's what it's all about
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 13:19
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Except regarding the small matter of giving the public a say on the terms of our leaving, or remaining you can say pretty well the same about the Tory party.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 13:21
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
I have provided plenty. All you have to do is click search. As a point of principle I wonít do it for you.

BV
Don't worry Fly Airpt the Leavers are getting a bit twitchy as Brexit starts to slip.

They had their chance to leave and work on their own version of leave after they ousted Theresa May, if they had the leverage.

Out with a deal was better than without a deal, if the end result of their failure to vote for her deal leads to no exit at all

​​​​​​More moves to follow over the next 5 weeks.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 13:31
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But thats the thing, it does not offer the opportunity to leave minus a deal, its leave with or remain, some will have voted to leave without and they are not giving those the chance to vote on it at the election..
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 14:34
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But thats the thing, it does not offer the opportunity to leave minus a deal, its leave with or remain, some will have voted to leave without and they are not giving those the chance to vote on it at the election..
There will certainly be some who actually wanted to leave with no deal, however throughout the referendum campaign we were all told that we'd be able to leave in such away as to allow us take back control of our borders and laws, stop payments to the EU, and make our own trade deal - all whilst retaining the advantages of being inside the union. This was the cake and eat it scenario. We weren't sold all of the above, but no future trading or security arrangements which is what a no deal Brexit means.

If the government of the day decides that no deal is the best they can get, then the vote should be no deal vs. remain; if the government comes back with a deal then it is this, versus remain, that should form the question.

For what it's worth, even as a remainer, I believe the public would vote for a deal and leave. if it were no deal, then I think they'd vote for remain.
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