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Old 5th Sep 2019, 01:16
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
You're counting governments and not ministers (prime).
Kevin only counts as one.


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Old 5th Sep 2019, 01:39
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Oops. Mis-read your original. Thought that you said 6. Sorry.

Anyway, still better than UK which has not had a prime minister this century nor a good portion of the last.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 06:22
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The UK used to have 48 Counties...soon to be 47 however...... " Welcome to Kent Car and Lorry Park managed by N.C.P " signs on the M20.

And then there's the predicted food shortages and, quelle surprise ! price increases as a result......sadly, for some, there is a double whammy here because M & S are about to drop out of the FTSE 100 for the first time ever so those inclined to take out a mortgage every time they buy their overpriced food products may get their first taste of austerity once the increases arrive on the shelves

The serious bit is, that, once any sign of shortages becomes evident, the British are far from averse to stripping the shelves bare and hoarding food for their own selfish needs and sod those who can't afford or gain access to shops and supermarkets. And this is where the real fun could begin because if there's one issue that really gets the publics attention, it's food and any shortages......


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Old 5th Sep 2019, 07:01
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Originally Posted by NumptyAussie View Post
Aye, 5 Prime ministers in 6 years.
"That's the way to do it"
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 17:50
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Meanwhile, with the veritable stampede of people leaving the tory party I'm moved to ask whether this would be the sip leaving the sinking rat? And with Jo Johnson we see one of the very few cases of a politician resigning so that he can spend less time with his family...

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Old 6th Sep 2019, 06:46
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d...ance-dsbnvl0m6

Dithering British don’t deserve another Brexit extension, says France

France has warned the Commons that President Macron could veto another delay to Brexit because the demand for a new extension “would not solve the problem”.

MPs have seized control of Brexit by voting for legislation forbidding Boris Johnson to meet his “do or die” deadline for leaving the EU on October 31. The legislation requires the prime minister to ask for a new delay at an EU summit on October 17 by extending the Article 50 withdrawal process until February next year.

Amélie de Montchalin, the French European affairs minister and lead negotiator on Brexit, said the plan would be rejected if it simply continued the parliamentary deadlock and political chaos in Britain. “It’s not because a problem is complicated that by diluting it over time and delaying it for three months without changing anything, it will be resolved,” she said. “When I hear the British saying, ‘Give us three months more and we will solve the problem’, we can see that another six months would not solve the problem, nor another three months. They have to be able to tell us what they want.”

Stephen Barclay, the Brexit secretary, told MPs that Britain would continue preparing for a no-deal Brexit even if parliament passed legislation forcing Mr Johnson to seek a delay because any of the EU’s 27 leaders could veto the request. “The legal position on an extension is that it requires the support of every member state, including the United Kingdom,” he said. “So it is the case . . . we would need to continue to prepare for no deal because it is within the scope of any member state to block an extension.”

In a bad-tempered summit on the current extension last April, Mr Macron made it clear to other European leaders that he did not support delay if it extended the impasse in parliament. He said this risked “importing” Britain’s political crisis inside the EU.

Diplomatic sources said that a further extension would need to have a “credible purpose”, previously defined as a general election, second referendum or decision to seek a softer Brexit. “A delay for delay’s sake? No. If it’s to go round in circles, no,” said a diplomat. “If it flows from a new political situation, such as elections, we could study a delay. It would have to be agreed unanimously, but yes, I think it would be allowed.”

A senior diplomatic source poured cold water on the “untrue” claims of some MPs and Remain campaigners that the EU would automatically give another extension because of Westminster’s parliamentary legislation. The prospect of an election is now seen as the most likely next step, whether Britain goes to the polls before or after the present Brexit deadline. “Will an election solve anything?” asked a diplomat. “That’s our fear.”

For many European governments the default position is now no-deal preparations unless something happens to unblock British politics, either leading to a new government with the majority to negotiate a deal or reverse Brexit.

“Our working assumption is that Brexit should occur on October 31 as was demanded by the UK,” a European Commission spokesman said yesterday.......

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Old 6th Sep 2019, 07:50
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And I think Macron is right. Unless there are some major developments in Westminster “no deal” is the only credible outcome.

Across the channel people are fed up with “the difficult” Brits...

Would be fun if BoJo gets his way with help from the EU🤣
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 08:31
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Macron simply doesn't have the balls to veto. He will comply just like the rest of them.
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 08:33
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Or at least you hope so...
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 08:56
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Originally Posted by Echo Romeo View Post
Macron simply doesn't have the balls to veto. He will comply just like the rest of them.
Care to explain why?
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 09:49
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He will be talked round by Merkel and the EU grandees.
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 10:01
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
He will be talked round by Merkel and the EU grandees.
What's the point? Unless there's a GE or second referendum your parliament will remain poisonous and paralysed. And even if there's a GE your first past the post system means there's a high likelihood of your next parliament being just as useless.

I used to think '"Brexit" was both the best soap and funniest comedy on tv, but the plot got a bit stale after the March extension. Last week was the best episode yet though, so I'm torn whether I want it to continue another 3 months. A bit like Game of Thrones, brilliant for the first few seasons, went off the rails, got back on them again in season 8 and then the last 2 seasons were awful, this past week is Brexit's season 8.
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 10:12
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
What's the point? Unless there's a GE or second referendum your parliament will remain poisonous and paralysed. And even if there's a GE your first past the post system means there's a high likelihood of your next parliament being just as useless.

I used to think '"Brexit" was both the best soap and funniest comedy on tv, but the plot got a bit stale after the March extension. Last week was the best episode yet though, so I'm torn whether I want it to continue another 3 months. A bit like Game of Thrones, brilliant for the first few seasons, went off the rails, got back on them again in season 8 and then the last 2 seasons were awful, this past week is Brexit's season 8.
Well if you're talking TV programmes, perhaps we should send Parliament to the Repair Shop?
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 10:22
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Where's Sir Humphrey when you need him? :-)
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 10:23
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Well if you're talking TV programmes, perhaps we should send Parliament to the Repair Shop?
Perhaps. I certainly think the two lead actors need replacing!
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 12:43
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UK opposition parties have agreed not to back Boris Johnson's demand for a general election before the EU summit in mid-October.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49609677


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Old 6th Sep 2019, 12:47
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What a load of Bull.....






https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-49599334
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 13:20
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That's the only way to capture the Scottish vote. Then drag it off to the nearest china shop.
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 16:37
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What is amusing me currently is the rash of Remain voters who phone talk shows and say "I voted Remain but because I value democracy I think that we should now just get it done." Well, were this to be the case then we would be seeing movement away from the 52/48 referendum split in a direction of Leave. What we are seeing in fact is a movement in the other direction. So somebody in addition to Young Pfeffel is telling porkies.
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 17:19
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That's the only way to capture the Scottish vote. Then drag it off to the nearest china shop.
Suspect Scotland is lost for the Tories, what with the SNP resurgence and Sturgeon capitalizing on remain. Once Ruth Davidson left, it effectively finished them off. All of this obvious of course, however, the impact on the overall vote could be crucial.

It's like the Tories are falling over themselves to gift Sturgeon with everything she desires.
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