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Old 7th Mar 2019, 06:44
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Is Huawei up to dirty tricks ?

I'll probably regret asking this, but what does the team think ?
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 07:00
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
I'll probably regret asking this, but what does the team think ?
Likely it is, but the bare faced hypocrisy of the west (more especially the USA) in it's loud-mouthed accusations of the same underhand nefariousness that it engages in itself has become boring
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 07:21
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Dirty tricks ? Knowledge is power.

I think they would be assisting the intelligence services of China in any way possible.

No doubt Huawei has the ability to remotely control its equipment installed in another nations's core telco systems. Even if that control is as basic as disabling it at will.

The Five Eyes are nervous and BT has already started removing Huawei kit from their core network.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46453425
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No. We have all heard the allegations from the USA but have so far seen no evidence. Do we believe the USA is incapable of reverse engineering the software within their routers etc? And why would GCHQ claim that their products pose no threat that can not be handled, if necessary?
What could their internet core systems actually do? How about the plethora of Huawei subscriber kit being sold in large numbers? Wouldn't that be a better place to 'hide' sneaky beaky stuff in?
Bottom line is "no evidence=innocent".
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I find it laughable that we (outside the USA, but undoubtedly at their behest) are ganging up on Huawei because they might be breaching security, when we cheerfully use the likes of Google and Facebook who routinely store our data then, without doubt are required to share that data with US authorities. The difference? One is a nasty Chinese conglomerate, the other nice friendly US businesses.

If nations weren't so blindly wedded to rampant capitalism then they (USA, UK etc) would have retained some in-house capability for technological development and we wouldn't even be thinking of relying upon apparently superior Chinese technology to provide 5G mobile services. You reap what you sew.
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 08:01
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You reap what you sew.
Grammar Nazi warning!!!
You might rip what you sew, but you reap what you sow.
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix View Post
Grammar Nazi warning!!!
You might rip what you sew, but you reap what you sow.
said the sow to the pig.
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix View Post
Grammar Nazi warning!!!
You might rip what you sew, but you reap what you sow.
Thanks for that, you may not believe this, but before you posted that I hadn't realised. I always thought that "sow" was an Americanisation of the word "sew". They say you learn something new every day, and I've started early this morning!
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 09:09
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This is more of a China government question.

For too long western company executives have been offshoring to China and making a mint for themselves at the expense of employment opportunities in their own countries. China has been welcoming to all this as it does not honour patents or other western corporate instruments of IP protection. With such a track record, it's no wonder espionage is employed to fill in the gaps.

Silly western company executives types.
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What really annoys me is that we had in the UK some world-leading electronics companies that could now be providing communications products to the world.
One by one they closed down, in some cases due to almost criminal management failures. So we now have to buy the stuff in, with the attendant risks.
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 09:54
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
I'll probably regret asking this, but what does the team think ?
I don't know for sure, but I would not be surprised. After all what about Google and the microphone fitted in Nest kit and not been publicised.
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If there is ever any way for the Chinese government (with fingers in all Chinese enterprise pies) to gain an underhanded upperhand over any "western" business or government and get away with it, or half get away with it, they will do so.
They speak three languages - Mandarin, Cantonese and Lies. Been doing that long before trump came around.
They are always so concerned about loss of face. Shouldn't be - you need some to lose some, they ran out long ago..
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 11:28
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It's funny, you meet the average Chinese person and they seem decent, hardworking and good citizens, yet on the larger scale 'they' have seemingly NO qualms about cheating/lying/stealing etc, all very lamentable qualities if one wishes to co-exist with other nations and peoples.The PRC govt is quite obviously deeply integrated within ALL international Chinese companies and has and will continue to use these entry points into areas of interest in foreign nations.
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yet on the larger scale 'they' have seemingly NO qualms about cheating/lying/stealing etc, all very lamentable qualities i
A good description of 21st century capitalism, which the Chinese seem to be very good at, much to the West's chagrin
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 11:45
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All complex equipment has vulnerabilities that are known to but not publicised by the manufacturers. Sometimes accidental faults or software loopholes exist that are later discovered and exploited by third parties. How long did it take to discover that certain car manufacturers were rigging emissions test figures?

How does the cost/risk ratio balance?

Do you want cheap 5G that works but could potentially be monitored or shut down by the Chinese government, or do you want to stick to older technology standards and perhaps fall behind in the technology race?
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yet on the larger scale 'they' have seemingly NO qualms about cheating/lying/stealing etc, all very lamentable qualities i

A good description of 21st century capitalism, which the Chinese seem to be very good at, much to the West's chagrin
Even the west does that, but in general terms, it appears that most of the main inventions and technologies have been the children of the Western nations, so the stealing/misappropriation of intellectual property towards China has been virtually non-existent
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Originally Posted by cattletruck View Post
This is more of a China government question.

For too long western company executives have been offshoring to China and making a mint for themselves at the expense of employment opportunities in their own countries. China has been welcoming to all this as it does not honour patents or other western corporate instruments of IP protection. With such a track record, it's no wonder espionage is employed to fill in the gaps.

Silly western company executives types.
Right and NSA has never been spying on private businesses and providing blue prints to "US suppliers". They are not alone as French intelligence bugged business class on AF planes decades ago and UK intelligence does similar.

A european business I was familar with 15 years ago spent a fortune couriering paperwork between offices on a major deal negotiation, no telephone calls were made or emails made regarding said deal because while they swept their offices and systems daily for bugs it was between leaving office and getting to elsewhere they were concerned about.
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
It's funny, you meet the average Chinese person and they seem decent, hardworking and good citizens, yet on the larger scale 'they' have seemingly NO qualms about cheating/lying/stealing etc, all very lamentable qualities if one wishes to co-exist with other nations and peoples.The PRC govt is quite obviously deeply integrated within ALL international Chinese companies and has and will continue to use these entry points into areas of interest in foreign nations.
Remind me of the benevolence of Western Empires and capitalism as they were raping and pillaging 3rd world countrys.

These days its done by large companies who openly dump their waste and other stuff elsewhere.
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 12:09
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Interesting range of responses, some predictable.

I haven't seen any proof, but then I wouldn't necessarily expect to have been shown any.

And of course absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence ...
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