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Old 6th Mar 2019, 16:02
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EU to mandate car speed limiters

All in the name of safety...
https://www.evo.co.uk/news/22326/man...in-three-years

Not so bad as you can disable the system
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Thank goodness we're leaving..
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Old 6th Mar 2019, 16:22
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And of course the next inevitable step will be that the sim card embedded in the car will send off a signal back to base and the speeding ticket will be in the post.
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Old 6th Mar 2019, 16:34
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Using Galileo to track EU vehicles to monitor their emissions is hinted at here . Page 10 of the document recommends funding for Galileo to assist in the tracking/monitoring of EU traffic.
Main EU measures
ē Amendment of the Eurovignette directive (1999/62/EC) and adoption of a Directive on the interoperability of tolling systems (2004/52/EC) (Kitou, 2006).
ē Subsidies for new technologies (Galileo, SESAR).
ē Public expenditure on infrastructure for GHG*PAMs e.g. congestion charging / road pricing infrastructure
It will also enable vehicle taxation per km and make speed cameras redundant!
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"ETSC is a Brussels-based independent non-profit making organisation dedicated to reducing the numbers of deaths and injuries in transport in Europe."

How DARE they !!!
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Thought I read yesterday that Volvo intend to limit top speeds to 112. No mention of EU.

No question that it will not apply to UK cars. No limiter, no access to EU roads.
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Otherwise known as "Volvo Withdraw From Germany".
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Old 6th Mar 2019, 20:13
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This is appalling! Disgraceful! Undemocratic!
How very dare these legislators force speed limits upon expert drivers who can drive safely at any speed we choose.

Just as well we are taking back control.
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Old 6th Mar 2019, 23:31
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Originally Posted by MCDU2 View Post
And of course the next inevitable step will be that the sim card embedded in the car will send off a signal back to base and the speeding ticket will be in the post.
Direct Debit straight from bank account. Course if signal never leaves car, what can they do
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 00:04
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We already have speed limiters in the UK. Its called having some of the densest levels of road occupancy in Europe. I often wonder where these people are going when I see them hurtling past me at 30 - 40 mph over the limit. Then I answer my own question - to the end of the next tailback of course!

Thought I read yesterday that Volvo intend to limit top speeds to 112. No mention of EU.
Blimey, 112 in my 18 year old V70? I don't think I'll be trying it!
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Fortunately UK access to the Galileo system has been shut down by Brexit, so speed limit enforcement and road charges will have to use another system in the UK at least.
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 06:04
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Hopefully accurate speedometers will also be mandated. My 2017 Qashqai isnít doing 70 until the speedometer reads 76. All speedometers over read but this is the most innacurate one in any car Iíve driven. The car is fitted with an optional speed limiter but it isnít linked to the speed limit display and the only indication you are exceeding the set speed (by pushing hard on the peda)l is that the displayed set speed flashes. It probably only needs a software update to fully implement the proposed system though.
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 06:40
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TTN, 105 was quite fast enough for me. Even driving a Lamborghini I only topped 55.
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 08:05
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
Fortunately UK access to the Galileo system has been shut down by Brexit, so speed limit enforcement and road charges will have to use another system in the UK at least.
Wrong.
We only lose access to the highest precision part of Galileo, which isn't needed for road pricing.
I've been using Galileo for navigation for a couple of years. How is Brexit going to stop me?
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
This is appalling! Disgraceful! Undemocratic!
How very dare these legislators force speed limits upon expert drivers who can drive safely at any speed we choose.

Just as well we are taking back control.
Just what I thought, in a country where the national speed limit is the lowest in Europe, well western Europe at least, except for when it's raining in France (limit reduced to 110km/h) what's the big deal with putting speed limiters on cars, and limiter than CANNOT be overridden?

For what it's worth, Germany will almost certainly veto such a move since the Federal transport minister has set his face against it, and against public opinion in Germany, which has also swung in favour of speed limits on Autobahns.

All new Volvos will be limited, if I recall correctly, to 180 km/h, which should satisfy all but the lunatic fringe of drivers even in Germany!
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Though not a fan of robot-fines, driving through Europe with everyone behaving on the road is actually quite a wondrous thing, albeit all too rare for us mere mortals.
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Originally Posted by cattletruck View Post
Though not a fan of robot-fines, driving through Europe with everyone behaving on the road is actually quite a wondrous thing, albeit all too rare for us mere mortals.
And the irony is that when it comes to behaviour on the roads, the British with our lax lane discipline and far too many souped up cars and boy racers is one of the worst offenders, despite, or perhaps because of our low motorway speed limit.
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I think it is another variation on the old CCTV argument for surveillance "if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear"...…..

ATNotts I think you are right, driving on the mainland I obey the speed limits 99% of the time (thank you Bern police for noticing my 1% glitch of 4kmh over the limit!!) as most of the traffic was doing the same, when in Rome etc. In the UK using the same Roman principle not so much I must confess, as on the UK motorway system the majority of the traffic is doing 75-80mph where possible. Having attended a UK speed awareness course, to which I would recommend voluntary attendance, after a 3mph over the limit excursion (thank you Cardiff for changing the limit from 40 to 30 just over the crest of a hill where a 3 lane and 2 lane road merge grr!) I was astounded that 5 of the 15 people on the course thought it was completely legal to overtake on the inside on the motorway. All of these 5 people had taken a UK driving test (the lecturer asked) rather than just getting a non-UK licence rolled over to a UK one. I was horrified but it goes a long way toward explaining the behaviour of some car operators (I can't call them drivers) doing stupid lane changes on the motorway.

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Annoying as they are, the main cause of motorway and dual carriageway "undertakers" seems to other drivers (who presumably have taken a UK driving test) not complying with article 264 on page 87 of the Highway Code.

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Old 7th Mar 2019, 09:37
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Volvo's primary motivation is their ambition that nobody shall be killed whilst driving one of their cars by 2021, or thereabouts. Their engineers may well have come to the conclusion, the highest possible speed at which they can reasonably guarantee a non-lethal outcome in case of an accident, is indeed 180 km/h. Following up on that, it's not unreasonable to expect the EU to pick up the mantle and bring it to a broader audience, so to speak.

In the right car, under the right conditions, I rather enjoy driving very fast indeed - my personal record for a Bonn-Copenhagen jaunt is just over 6 hours. Not bad for a 900 km trip. But, it was a friday night, traffic was light and weather was good. No trucks after midnight and outside 'caravan season'. But I'm certainly not blind to the fact that doing 230 km/h brings higher risks than e.g. 180 km/h. And then there's the pertinent issue of all those drivers who really shouldn't be holding a drivers license, who use the German Autobahn as a sort of playground.

The thing about rules is, that it's usually necessary to curtail the behaviour of the masses to the detriment of the few. That's how the world works, and I for one shan't be moaning if indeed an EU wide rule restricting cars to a certain speed (say 180) comes into force. If one wishes to go as fast as possible, there are track days being held all over the place. Have a go at maxing you car on a closed track is by far the safest option.
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