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Old 21st Feb 2019, 22:06
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Anti Vaxxers

Not really much of an issue in the US, put it like this, they may think they’re not being vaxxed

But chemtrail mass vaxxing aside, and I’ll try and stay neutral on the issue, are these crackpots a threat to greater health in general or a drop in the ocean that has morphed into a political hot point?

Should we force them into getting their kids vaxxed?
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Old 21st Feb 2019, 23:56
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I understand that in the state of Oregon, children who have not been vaccinated are being denied access to schools. A more effective move than trying to enforce vaccination, which would be a legal nightmare and would only advantage fat cat lawyers
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 00:20
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Similar thing happening in pre-schools here - not sure if it's the case with all of them, but at many (most?) kids can't start unless they're fully vaccinated. Bring it on, I say.

My old GP, now retired, was so sick of being pestered by people who wanted medical exemptions for their children that he would tell those with no justification that they should find another doctor.
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 00:30
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Here is a more subtle form of encouragement:


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one day the zombie apocalypse will happen and it will begin with anti vaxxers
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 03:58
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Originally Posted by Hydromet View Post
Similar thing happening in pre-schools here - not sure if it's the case with all of them, but at many (most?) kids can't start unless they're fully vaccinated. Bring it on, I say.
That will just feed the tendency of these lunatics to home school to protect their little darlings from hearing about other evils such as evolution. Seriously, the rift between the rational part of the population and the irrational anti-science, anti-'elite' part is becoming a very serious issue.

eg Germs are not real a real thing. I can't see them. Therefore, they're not real"

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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 04:45
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That will just feed the tendency of these lunatics to home school to protect their little darlings from hearing about other evils such as evolution. Seriously, the rift between the rational part of the population and the irrational anti-science, anti-'elite' part is becoming a very serious issue.

eg Germs are not real a real thing. I can't see them. Therefore, they're not real"
DB, Washington state and Oregon are a hot bed for the anti-vaxxers - it's no coincidence that the current measles outbreak is in Oregon/Washington.
At the risk of bursting your bubble, most of the anti-vaxxers in Washington/Oregon are on the political left, not the right. The religious right doesn't have a monopoly on anti-science - far from it.
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 05:34
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
DB, Washington state and Oregon are a hot bed for the anti-vaxxers - it's no coincidence that the current measles outbreak is in Oregon/Washington.
At the risk of bursting your bubble, most of the anti-vaxxers in Washington/Oregon are on the political left, not the right. The religious right doesn't have a monopoly on anti-science - far from it.

I agree, evolution was a random example. I could equally have said irrational denial of climate change which I guess is also a right wing thing or irrational fear of GMO's or belief in healing crystals to cure cancer which I guess is mostly left wing hippy nonsense.

So no bubbles burst.
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 06:03
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Anti-waxers? Shouldn't they rightfully be called 'pro-diseasers'?
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anti waxers is quite a good name for them.

They spread their crap via the fanny waxing profession in my experience. There was one of them (Beautician) even felt that she had to call my wife and send her crap through the post about our baby getting vaccinated. To the point I reported her for giving medical advise unqualified.

It was a year of utter hell and arguments to get my kid vaccinated, her sisters went with the fanny waxers suggestions and didn't vaccinate.
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 06:38
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The ultimate irony: Most vaccines are a little bit of the stuff that does you harm. They are practically homeopathic! Perhaps that is a tack to try on the anti-vaxers (...he said only partly joking).
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most of them aren't these days, they are dead vaccines and are not the actual beastie that gives the issues.

This has just kicked things of in my house again on the subject.

Apparently some poor baby got leukaemia because it was vaccinated against TB. After making her dig for the report and then sticking it through google translate it appears a baby was diagnosed with leukaemia 5 days after getting its TB jab when the normal reaction was a bit stronger than usual and didn't clam down after 3 days and they went to the Doctor.

Apparently this is obviously the TB jab that caused it...…….
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 07:08
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Post hoc ergo propter hoc ...
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 07:12
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
DB, Washington state and Oregon are a hot bed for the anti-vaxxers - it's no coincidence that the current measles outbreak is in Oregon/Washington.
At the risk of bursting your bubble, most of the anti-vaxxers in Washington/Oregon are on the political left, not the right. The religious right doesn't have a monopoly on anti-science - far from it.
I don't think the irrationality associated with anti-vaxing runs along political lines here. I consider myself leftish but live in a very right-wing area, and we have one of the highest vaccination rates. Parts of Sydney's northern beaches are just to the right of Attila the Hun, but have very low vaccination rates. Byron Bay on the North Coast is probably a mix of Champagne Socialists and right leaning folk, while Nimbin is a hippy stronghold. All these places are strong anti-vax areas.
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Its Darwin theory in action breeding out stupidity.

Wonder what the link is between anti-vax and flat earth belief.
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 07:57
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Its Darwin theory in action breeding out stupidity.
Unfortunately, while at increased risk, they are protected from severe epidemic by the majority who do vaccinate. And then for every vaccination complication, no matter how rare, they can snipe "I told you so" from the sidelines.

It seems to me that the human race is now able to defy Darwin and is breeding in stupidity - at a rate that is increasing alarmingly in recent years. Maybe I'm just getting old?
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 08:48
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Didn’t the anti Vaxx movement start off following the - now discredited and struck off - Dr Andrew Wakefield who linked autism to the MMR vaccine? He’s been conclusively disproven so interesting how many are still falling for the fraud.
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 09:56
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Didn’t the anti Vaxx movement start off following the - now discredited and struck off - Dr Andrew Wakefield who linked autism to the MMR vaccine? He’s been conclusively disproven so interesting how many are still falling for the fraud.
Sadly, sadly, sadly, being struck off as an established fraud will not convince some people.
https://www.ageofautism.com/dr-andrew-wakefield/

..still a hero in some people's eyes.

One choice quote from the above...
The British mainstream media are once again hopping up and down about Andrew Wakefield (all of us here wish him well) with a particularly egregious and unnecessary attack in the hollowed out Guardian newspaper by their long time health correspondent, Sarah Boseley.
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I'd rather be autistic than dead of measles or smallpox or deaf from rubella, etc...
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That rather implies autism is a known but acceptable risk of the MMR. It is not. The whole argument was false and based on self-interest and personal gain.
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