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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:29
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
She is still strongly under the influence of her groomers. People who fell under the spell of religious cults often took a couple of years of counselling before they were able to even consider how their views had been programmed. This is no different IMHO. We seem happy to "rescue" much older girls from the clutches of communities like the Davidians - of course they are middle-class and white, which I suspect may be one of the obstacles people suffer in tryting to see this girl as a victim.

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What evidence is there that this is true? She's in a Syrian refugee camp, and seems to be free to speak to journalists. There's nothing in anything that has been reported that she is either acting against her own will or that she is being coerced into saying what she has. Much as I have little faith in the media to be impartial, I would have thought that they would have mentioned if they thought that she was still subject to coercion from the extremists that she has been living with for the past 4 years. She's now about 20 years old, has had three children and seems still as wedded to the ideal of an Islamic State as she was when she left the UK as a "silly little schoolgirl".
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:31
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
She is still strongly under the influence of her groomers. People who fell under the spell of religious cults often took a couple of years of counselling before they were able to even consider how their views had been programmed. This is no different IMHO. We seem happy to "rescue" much older girls from the clutches of communities like the Davidians - of course they are middle-class and white, which I suspect may be one of the obstacles people suffer in tryting to see this girl as a victim.

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Has said lady shown ANY regret / sympathy or the like towards the victims of ISIS ? I mean, even a 10 year old can understand what killing is, what brutal murder for no reason whatsoever is.
Sometimes its way better not to be tolerant to the intolerant.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:40
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If the UK Government play their cards right, they can advise her to go to Turkey and keep bungling the paperwork until her child is born. Perhaps that may give sh!t-for-brains a lesson in the value of cultural diversity but I doubt it.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:52
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Don't overlook the fact that she has a husband - who was (is?) one of the IS fighters (even though he is, it seems, Dutch).
Do we really want him in the UK?
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:54
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Originally Posted by His dudeness View Post
Has said lady shown ANY regret / sympathy or the like towards the victims of ISIS ? I mean, even a 10 year old can understand what killing is, what brutal murder for no reason whatsoever is.
Sometimes its way better not to be tolerant to the intolerant.
She doesn't appear to. This is a quote directly from the BBC News site:

Asked by Times journalist Anthony Loyd whether her experiences of living in the one-time IS stronghold of Raqqa had lived up to her aspirations, Ms Begum said: "Yes, it did. It was like a normal life. The life that they show on the propaganda videos - it's a normal life."Every now and then there are bombs and stuff. But other than that..."

She said that seeing her first "severed head" in a bin "didn't faze me at all".

"It was from a captured fighter seized on the battlefield, an enemy of Islam.

"I thought only of what he would have done to a Muslim woman if he had the chance," she said.

"I'm not the same silly little 15-year-old schoolgirl who ran away from Bethnal Green four years ago," she told Mr Loyd.

"I don't regret coming here."
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:56
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I got the impression that she wishes to improve its life chances by hatching it in the NHS, putting it into care, and returning from whence she came.

Now does the baby gain its citizenship from its mother or from the putative sperm donor?
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 10:07
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The silly terrorist bint can f*** right off.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 10:17
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Has she been asked if she'd be prepared to authorise a hysterectomy at the same time?
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 11:04
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'The government' has announced that she will be allowed to return to the UK.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/842447...ome-home-jail/
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 11:07
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
'The government' has announced that she will be allowed to return to the UK.
Source????
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 11:12
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
Source????
See Ben Wallace comment in above link.

Also:- https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv...orning-Britain
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 11:17
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
See Ben Wallace comment in above link.
Thanks - when I posted that link was not in your post

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 11:27
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There are some on here who would lower the voting age to include young people like this.
Those same people will be now be saying that she was influenced as she was still a child.
You can't have it both ways.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 11:32
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Thought you couldn't fly commercially 9 months pregnant.
And doesn't rate a medevac.
And no for all the other reasons of not allowing an enemy combatant into the country.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 11:47
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Originally Posted by scr1 View Post
Should we put the sins of the parent upon the child??
Inshalla, as they say

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 11:49
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Thought you couldn't fly commercially 9 months pregnant.
And doesn't rate a medevac.
And no for all the other reasons of not allowing an enemy combatant into the country.
Does a rendition flight count as commercial?
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 12:05
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Has she been taught how to use a weapon in combat, has she killed British or Allied troops, has she been involved with executions of hostages?

Who knows, the husband is probably Dutch in name only for convenience, as is her British citizenship. Their allegiance is undoubtedly firmly with the sandpit.

Do I personally want her here, would I ever trust her anywhere near a public place or school? NO!

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 12:11
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Have you read the BBC article? Your oft quoted statement that people canít be rendered stateless is clearly debunked. It says it is unlikely in her case but has been done.
I presume you mean this article which has no "clear debunk", just the single, unsuppoerted statement:

Originally Posted by A BBC Correspondant
But that's a long way off. Assuming she made it to an airport, the UK could temporarily ban her from returning until she agreed to be investigated, monitored and deradicalised.
You can have a look around the legal forums and you'll find that few actual lawyers agree with this statement at face value. They point to the word "temporarily" and explain that this means "even if we don't prosecute we can insist that she agrees to certain things before she's allowed out of custody".

But meanwhile I see we have the ugly fascist thug who thinks compulsory strilisation is something we can impose as a punishment. No wonder people hate us...

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 12:27
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I don't hold her beliefs, (or anything remotely like them, I'd be the first for the chop), however if she has committed no crime (other than I assume promoting her "cause") then I am not sure under what circumstances she can be denied re-entry? Wandering around an occupied town with baby and viewing a chopped head hardly counts as a crime worthy of removing citizenship, cut out the histrionics and little of real substance remains.

And surely however this should be a judicial rather than a political decision?

It's not of course that I don't trust the wise judgement of politicians... esp. the current incumbent clowns.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 12:34
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Originally Posted by flash8 View Post
I don't hold her beliefs, (or anything remotely like them, I'd be the first for the chop), however if she has committed no crime (other than I assume promoting her "cause") then I am not sure under what circumstances she can be denied re-entry? Wandering around an occupied town with baby and viewing a chopped head hardly counts as a crime worthy of cutting off citizenship, cut out the histrionics and little of real substance remains.

And surely however this should be a judicial rather than a political decision?

It's not of course that I don't trust the wise judgement of politicians... esp. the current incumbent clowns.
The question is whether aiding and abetting an enemy is a crime. She clearly went there with the intention to aid and abet IS. By becoming the wife of an IS fighter, knowing full well that he was part of a proscribed organisation, she may well be considered to be aiding and abetting IS.

The question is really whether, at the age of 15, she knew right from wrong. I believe that the age of criminal responsibility is lower than 15, but I'm unsure as to what it actually is. How should we treat the wife of a murderer who has deliberately acted to help him?
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