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"Public School" Boys.

Old 28th Jan 2019, 08:08
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"Public School" Boys.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/28/public-schoolboys-speaking-mockney-hide-privileged-education/

I find with most I've had anything to do with, is their profound arrogance and lack of manners that give them away..

"You can take them away from Public School but you will never take public school out of the boy or girl."
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 08:42
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I find with most I've had anything to do with, is their profound arrogance and lack of manners that give them away..
and total ignorance of any of the situations one encounters in real life.

"Some of that guacamole..." in a chip shop, for example.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 08:56
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Originally Posted by UniFoxOs View Post
and total ignorance of any of the situations one encounters in real life.

"Some of that guacamole..." in a chip shop, for example.
And we are blessed with having just one such contributor in our midst.....

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Old 28th Jan 2019, 09:45
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My own experience of public schools was a brief period of teaching at Marlborough College, covering a staff member who was away sick. A few observations

Both boys and girls were the usual mixture of teenage children. Behaviour was generally better than in state schools, because as soon as any trouble started the parents were rung by their house master or mistress and informed that their offspring was wasting the 16K pa (as it was then) the were shelling out and perhaps they could have a word. This usually worked. Some were arrogant, certainly, but this was mainly confined to members of the school Rugby XV, who enjoyed a high status among other pupils. Another thing that impressed me that politeness was expected and taught by example. I was surprised to see that contrary to the practice in state schools I had taught in where teachers normally went to the front of the queue in the dining room, teachers here all stood in line and took their turn. One day I found myself standing behind the head, who himself was behind several first years all awaiting their turn to be served.

Some of that guacamole..." in a chip shop, for example
Peter Mandelson attended a grammar school. It was his boss who was the public schoolboy, having attended Fettes, the "Scottish Eton".

A lot of rubbish is talked about public schools by people who have no experience of them. Of course the pupils are privileged - if your parents have the money to pay the eye watering fees it stands to reason you are privileged, but everyone on here who wasn't born into poverty in the third world is privileged - that's the way the world is.

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"I find with most I've had anything to do with, is their profound arrogance and lack of manners that give them away.."

Surely that would be a result of parenting, not education...

"and total ignorance of any of the situations one encounters in real life."

Really?...
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if your parents have the money to pay the eye watering fees it stands to reason you are privileged.
Unless of course, one is on a scholarship.
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I can make a pretty direct comparison between someone wholly educated in state schools (me) and someone who went to prep school and then a public school (my youngest brother).

The difference between the two of us is that my youngest brother left school with almost no qualifications (he got one O level IIRC), but he had a lot more self-confidence than I had at that age, plus he has impeccable manners, something that directly relates to his education I'm sure. As a consequence, he's been running his own successful business for the past 40 years, something I would never have had the confidence to do.

Did my parents waste a small fortune on his education? I don't think so, although I'll freely admit that I did think this was the case when he first left school.

FWIW, he hasn't got a posh accent now, either, he lost that within a year of leaving school.
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I am referring to basic verbal manners. How often do you get a please or thankyou out of these people? Politeness or lack of. These words appear to me, not to be in their vocabulary .
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Originally Posted by Dan_Brown View Post
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/28/public-schoolboys-speaking-mockney-hide-privileged-education/

I find with most I've had anything to do with, is their profound arrogance and lack of manners that give them away..

"You can take them away from Public School but you will never take public school out of the boy or girl."
Chav with a Public school background is still a Chav.

Parents use these and Grammar schools as a way to give their kids a step up with network and contacts for the future. In many cases they are exam factorys with sole aim of getting Tristan and Lulubelle A-Levels and a place at a select University. Nothing wrong with that because as a parent i want what is best for my kids and expect others to do the same. Issue I have is with parents who don't give a F***.

Job of parents is to guide and encourage kids to find their own way on a path rather than tell them you have to do this and become a Lawyer, Banker, Doctor etc. Met more than fair share of people in a mid life crises who have been following a career path for 20 years because Mommy and Daddy said they must do this and they then do exactly the same thing with offspring.

Amazing watching 2 guys talking, one a First from Oxford after Public school who has hated his life and same age guy who left school with O-Levels, 20 years in RAF with lots of learning before leaving and finding different job and he passionate about job he does now.
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Unless of course, one is on a scholarship.
That's true. Marlborough had a scholarship scheme for the sons and daughters of the clergy. Most pupils did however come from wealthy backgrounds. One Chinese boy who was in my upper 6th Russian class was the son of a super wealthy Hong Kong family, who at age 18 personally owned flats in London, New York and Hong Kong. He was a very pleasant, well mannered lad - I wonder what he is doing these days.
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It looks like the article entitled "Better to smash the class ceiling than rage at it" by Clare Foges in the Comment section of today's Times was written expressly for some of the contributors on this thread....

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Old 28th Jan 2019, 12:39
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My experience of the 2 public school boys (and their circles of friends) who were at different times courting my daughter was that they were incredibly polite, especially so to my wife. But they also displayed a rather 'entitled' view of the world, even if working in a call centre! They tended to view others as 'PLU', or not 'PLU'.

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I went to a state school. My experience of public schoolboys and girls at university, in the RAF and thereafter has been that, as with all other strata of society, some are excellent, some are ok and some are appalling. As to Etonians, I've only ever known three: two were good blokes; the third was an absolute sh%t; but all three had exquisite manners.
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I think the biggest difference is not public schools per se, but Boarding Schools. The 'survivors' of the latter can be quite readily identified by their (almost desperate) air of self-confidence, bordering on arrogance and all too often their inability to hold normal relationships or work effectively in teams.

Not really their fault, I guess. Being pretty much excommunicated from family at age 5 and dropped into a single sex, often brutal, environment and told to stand on their own two feet.

They had to grow up fast.
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The 'survivors' of the latter can be quite readily identified by their (almost desperate) air of self-confidence, bordering on arrogance and all too often their inability to hold normal relationships or work effectively in teams.
I cannot help but notice that you aren't shy of a spot of sweeping generalisation in your post....
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:19
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One way traffic.

As with many things in modern society I read this thread and find myself wondering why it seems to be socially acceptable to tar one group with a particular brush but the reverse would be seen as heresy.

Those that disparage the Public School pupils seem to think it is fine and gleefully use less than complimentary words to describe them. The reverse would almost certainly not be tolerated.

I am state school educated before anyone jumps on their high horse.

I find this thread to be on similar lines to how only white people can be called racist and only men can be sexist.

I wish more people could think about what they are saying before typing/talking. I think life would be altogether more pleasant.

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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:42
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At the risk of being accused of generalisations (who me ??) the privately educated boys wot I've met over the years have been a) Impeccably mannered, which REALLY counts when abroad, b) very confident even when ability didn't match and c) an unsettling ruthlessness lurking behind the smile. As others have noted, it's often a set path followed at the behest of the parents, who in turn followed the course set for them ad finitum. Well-paid no doubt, great career possibly, but somehow not happy with their lot, "it was what was expected of me" etc.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 17:20
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I went to a rather good skool, back in the 60s.. (Or should I have said "quite good"?). Always in the top 10 for A levels. That sort of place.

Nowadays, I sound a bit like Michael Caine, not David Chavameron.

We emerged in to a world where our relative politeness, and our natural charm, and our relative confidence helped us quite a lot.

How on earth do we raise some of our UK "sink" skools to that sort of level?
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