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Old 21st Jan 2019, 12:08
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Originally Posted by M.Mouse View Post
On Youtube there are many hundreds of videos featuring bad driving and crashes, especially on Russian roads. Something which I noticed is that it is remarkably easy for a car to turn over, even from low speeds, either from being hit in the right place or sliding into a kerb or similar at just the right angle. It surprised me. It is my view that a car turning over tells us very little about speed.
It is, as witnessed many years ago on the road leading to my former school. Car came up the road, not really speeding, clipped the curb and did a barrel role....well started on one as the driver and car ended up in, thankfully, a hedge. No injuries, thankfully
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 12:28
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Apparently the Queen has given Philip a new title. He's now the Duke of Hazard.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 13:03
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AIUI, it was not a Land Rover Defender (which is the original 'body on chassis' design), but a Discovery, which is a completely different construction (aluminium unitary body).
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 13:29
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AIUI, it was not a Land Rover Defender (which is the original 'body on chassis' design), but a Discovery, which is a completely different construction (aluminium unitary body).
If you're referring to Phil's motor, it was a Freelander - as is the replacement. The rather strange perspective in the original crash site photo is because it has a panoramic glass roof which runs from front to back. It looks like the roof shattered in the accident which was why it was relatively easy to pull him out.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 13:54
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Originally Posted by clareprop View Post
If you're referring to Phil's motor, it was a Freelander - as is the replacement. The rather strange perspective in the original crash site photo is because it has a panoramic glass roof which runs from front to back. It looks like the roof shattered in the accident which was why it was relatively easy to pull him out.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 15:59
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As a consequence of this thread I was contemplating the uselessness of indicators as I waited at a minor junction until the crossing traffic was clear.

Sitting with my right indicator flashing it could not be seen by cars on my left and was certainly no indication of my intention, or not, to pull out in front of traffic approaching. Once they had passed what was the point?

Similarly a car approaching and indicating a turn didn't mean I could pull out as the car following it might have chosen to pull out and overtake.

I wonder if indicators cause more accidents than they prevent? The exception when they are useful, if they are used, is before an overtaking manoeuvre on a motorway.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 17:41
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Did somebody say Freeloader?
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 18:04
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
I wonder if indicators cause more accidents than they prevent?
I believe all BMW owner manuals contain a statement to that effect.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 18:13
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I will not be surprised if RA3237 is soon extended to apply to surface transport .Here is what it says in RA3237.

Rationale ►Members of The Royal Family afforded such status by the Director of Royal Travel, The Royal Household1 are routinely flown in the UK by Royal Helicopter2 . The dynamic nature of military low flying may constitute a hazard to the safe conduct of Royal Helicopter flights; therefore, Royal Helicopter flights are conducted within the confines of a Royal Low Level Corridor (RLLC)3 which are subject to specific conditions to ensure that adequate separation is achieved between military Air Systems (AS) and the Royal Helicopter.◄

The full text of RA3237 is at :https://assets.publishing.service.go...37_Issue_2.pdf

Given the "dynamic nature" of The Duke`s driving more than enough" Rationale" to have it on the roads now, don`t you think.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 18:52
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Did somebody say Freeloader?
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 19:03
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Chronus,

The paragraph stating that civilian aircraft must avoid the route of the Royal aircraft is almost impossible to comply with simply because the route is no longer available to civilian pilots. Presumably maintaining security from "other risks" is more important.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 19:18
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Que? I have broken a wrist or two 3 at least times and the treatment has never been different each time; plaster over the wrist and lower forearm for 4 weeks and off you go.
Weren't you lucky. I know someone for whom that was not the case. An operation, followed by just enough physio on the NHS to feed and dress themselves, private if they wanted to regain much more than that.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 01:04
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...... wonder if indicators cause more accidents than they prevent?
Wrong indications are worse than no indications, if no indicator one hangs back to see what is going to happen, with an indication of what one is going to do, the other driver continues as appropriate - then you don't do it !

Right indicators should be totally banned on roundabouts, other than to change lanes approaching a multi-lane roundabout, then turned off once entering the roundabout - EVERYONE has to proceed right-handedly around ( in the UK ) so we don't need to know that, all that is necessary is an indication of when one is leaving to the left, tho' one might argue that even that is only nice to know rather than must know ? How often do you wait for an approaching right indicator to pass in front of you, only to find it exiting to the left down your left hand side, meaning you have "given way", and wasted time, unnecessarily ?

I was once quoted .... An Indicator Is An Indication Of What You Would Like To Do When The Road Is Clear For You To Do So ......if the road isn't clear you can't do it anyway, and an indicator isn't going to make it any easier to perform so is a waste of time, and if the road is clear why bother with an indicator ?
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 05:01
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A wrong indication can be misleading, true, treat them with caution.
Indicating is a good habit to get into though, even 'when the road is clear', so it's an automatic reaction. And that motorcyclist you didn't spot because if the bright sunshine will be grateful too.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 06:51
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Originally Posted by YorkshireTyke View Post
Right indicators should be totally banned on roundabouts, other than to change lanes approaching a multi-lane roundabout, then turned off once entering the roundabout - EVERYONE has to proceed right-handedly around ( in the UK ) so we don't need to know that
I beg to differ. Your comment is valid for conventional roundabouts; for mini-roundabouts it certainly isn't.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 07:14
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Yesterday, following a car on the village road it indicated right and moved toward a clear part of pavement before turning left in front of me and going down a different road.

Indeed treat indicators as attention getters and not intentioners.

Mrs PN often nags me in a queue at traffic lights or a stop to indicate. Why, I am not going anywhere. I indicate when I move off. I also release the foot brake in a queue if I can.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 07:20
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Yesterday, following a car on the village road it indicated right and moved toward a clear part of pavement before turning left in front of me and going down a different road.

Indeed treat indicators as attention getters and not intentioners.

Mrs PN often nags me in a queue at traffic lights or a stop to indicate. Why, I am not going anywhere. I indicate when I move off. I also release the foot brake in a queue if I can.
Ah, Lincolnshire driving personified .......

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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 07:25
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Originally Posted by gileraguy View Post
As a seasoned motorcyclist I find that riding requires a completely different mindset to driving.

If you're driving and listening to music, singing along, that fine, but if you're riding you have to be completely in the moment with your situational awereness at it's peak. You can't afford to be thinking about anything else but survival.

I realised this after several years off road bikes and getting back onto the road. At first I had a frightful number of near misses because I wasn't totally focussed on the task. You have to have the mindset that you're the Invisible Man and everyone is trying to kill you... Hand on heart every crash i have had was my fault. i figure if I get hit by another vehicle that's my fault too.

I always look at the wheels of the vehicle waiting to move out in front of me when I'm travelling down a main street. If they start to rotate it gives me a better visual clue than watching for the car to move. Making eye contact with the driver helps too.

Finally, further to the lights on during the day discussion, when a small object (like a motorcycle) is backlit by the sun setting or rising, the use of daytime headlights breaks up the silhouette of the machine, making it even harder to spot.
I suspect this is why motorcycles sold in Oz have reverted from the hard wired headlights of the 90's back to switchable lights.
I agree with most of that, but as for the last paragraph - sounds like I've been lucky to survive these last 47 years of on-road motorcycling! However, one thing I wouldn't ride is a motorcycle with twin headlights, as some modern ones have. I've noticed that if both are lit, the bike can be mistaken for a car, but further away than it is, due to the bike's smaller size/scale. Coupled with a bike's ability to accelerate far more rapidly than most cars, it can result in someone pulling out in front of it.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 07:44
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Mrs PN often nags me in a queue at traffic lights or a stop to indicate. Why, I am not going anywhere.
SOP on motorways these days seems increasingly to be drivers indicating when they have already started to pull out (or in) in front of you. After all, why spoil the surprise by giving a warning in advance?
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 08:31
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
SOP on motorways these days seems increasingly to be drivers indicating when they have already started to pull out (or in) in front of you. After all, why spoil the surprise by giving a warning in advance?
The modern car is so designed that "it" does a lot of things for you, but this coupling of indicators to steering dates back to the electro-mechanical era.
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