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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 15:24
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Originally Posted by ex82watcher View Post
A thought just occurred to me,how often does the average driver read through the Highway Code to keep up to date with recent changes ? I have to confess,the last time I recall doing so,before today, was when I had a draw-bar fitted,and saw fit to ensure I was well aquainted with the rules relating to trailers,and would guess that would be around 6/7 years ago.When I was an ATCO,we had to consult NOTAMS,TOIs etc on a daily basis,but is the HC republished at set intervals ?
I read it for the first time in probably 30 years about ten years ago, when I was involved in a serious accident (not my fault, but it caused me to check about the obligations of pedestrians when crossing a dual carriageway). I was surprised at how much it had changed, and try and make a point of looking through the latest version every year or two.

It should be mandatory to re-read it every time every time there is a significant change, but how that could be enforced I don't know. It's too hefty now to send a free copy out with every road tax renewal, and anyway I'd bet that if that was done most copies would go straight from the envelope to the recycling bin without being read.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 15:36
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One assumes the sun effected him so badly as he couldn't squint as he has shown in the past his objection to slitty eyes
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 16:59
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
if they are flat enough often ignored
Unless the guy coming in the other direction is already driving across the middle of it

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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 18:36
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
One assumes the sun effected him so badly as he couldn't squint as he has shown in the past his objection to slitty eyes
Given his age I`d have thought he would have been well aware of that well known motto" beware of the hun in the sun". Goes to show you, squint and you let your guard down when out on patrol, before you can say sausage, you are jumped and go down in flames.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 19:15
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Originally Posted by YorkshireTyke View Post
if no indicator one hangs back to see what is going to happen
Nope, if someone isn't indicating that means they're going straight ahead. And I therefore position myself on my bicycle accordingly.

If they actually meant to turn, then they've got a longer wait when the lights go green, haven't they, for me to get out of the way, than if they'd signalled properly, in which case I wouldn't have put myself in their way in the first place.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 21:30
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
............There's really no excuse not to keep oneself updated with the Highway Code. It's available free, online:
So is all other legislation; much of it very pertinent to the general populace.

Very few people, including me, feel the need to regularly scan changes to legislation to see if there is anything there of importance.

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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 22:22
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
So is all other legislation; much of it very pertinent to the general populace.

Very few people, including me, feel the need to regularly scan changes to legislation to see if there is anything there of importance.
Maybe folks should! However, I'm certain most never again open a copy of the Highway Code after the day they pass their driving test.

Anyway, in my case, as a long term professional pilot, I'm required to keep my relevant knowledge up to date on an ongoing basis. That spills over into the way I view my personal responsibilities as a driver, especially as I wrote previously, over the past few years I helped get a series of offspring(s) through their driving tests. Between us, we did all right in the latter.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 22:26
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
Very few people, including me, feel the need to regularly scan changes to legislation to see if there is anything there of importance.
Actually quite a lot of people should feel that need, such as trustees of organisations with safeguarding duties (which is basically the reason I turned down an invitation to become one).
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 22:30
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My copy of the Highway Code had whip signals to be given by the drivers of horse-drawn vehicles.
I wonder if those signals are still 'legal'?
Rummaging around in the junk I have at home I came across a pre-war highway code which has those "whip" signals you refer to. The paper-back book which is only a little over 4" x 5" has a total of 32 pages. VP959 tells us the current one is too hefty to be posted out with road tax renewals, so I assume its grown a bit.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 22:50
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TTN, as I wrote earlier - you don't need a paper copy - the latest edition has been available online for some years now!
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 22:51
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I am ever wary of the "should" -type advisories in government pamphlets.

The one that I really despise is the advisory, in Western Australia, that drivers "should" be polite and allow vehicles in front that are signalling to change lanes to do so.
However there is no obligation to do so, and should the trailing vehicle be in the process of passing a vehicle indicating to change lanes, and a collision occur, then the vehicle in the process of changing lanes is in the wrong.

If the vehicle changing lanes was traveling at the speed limit then he might reasonably expect that the trailing vehicle is NOT going to try overtaking at that time.
But his reasonable expectation is of no importance. Nor is the fact that the overtaking vehicle was exceeding the speed limit (easily deniable and impossible to prove). And the Road Code booklet's suggestion to be polite is of even less importance.
After the collision the driver of the lane-changer will be booked for changing lanes when not safe to do so.

If you think that estimating vehicle speed for a quartering vehicle is difficult then consider the accuracy of estimating speed of a vehicle in your wing mirror while in traffic.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 23:14
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I beg to differ. Your comment is valid for conventional roundabouts; for mini-roundabouts it certainly isn't.
So I can got left-handedly around a UK mini-roundabout can ?
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 06:30
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Roundabouts and mini roundabouts are very useful, especially in the case of the latter; to allow traffic from a previous side junction to join a busy carriageway - without having to go to the expense of digging up the road to instal traffic lights and then getting the phasing correct.

Problems are that local councils do not maintain them - the road markings are often dull or worn away - and adequate signage on their approaches is often absent.


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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 06:34
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Originally Posted by YorkshireTyke View Post
So I can got left-handedly around a UK mini-roundabout can ?
Maybe in Yorkshire. But the question was whether indicating an intended right turn was advisable when approaching a (mini-)roundabout.

Do try to keep up.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 07:35
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
Rummaging around in the junk I have at home I came across a pre-war highway code which has those "whip" signals you refer to. The paper-back book which is only a little over 4" x 5" has a total of 32 pages. VP959 tells us the current one is too hefty to be posted out with road tax renewals, so I assume its grown a bit.
The current version costs 2.50 and is 112mm x 210mm and has 152 pages, so it has grown a fair bit over the years!

It's viewable online here for free: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 11:30
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The copy I referred to cost one penny so the price has gone by a factor of 600 in the intervening years.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 12:33
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Given his age I`d have thought he would have been well aware of that well known motto" beware of the hun in the sun".
The problem with the excuse that he was blinded by the sun which was low in the sky doesn't work. He was hit by a car proceeding from the Hunstanton direction towards Kings Lynn. That is to say, from his right. The accident occurred in late afternoon when the sun would have been close to the horizon in the Kings Lynn direction. It is the driver of the other car who would have had the sun in their eyes, not HRH.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 15:05
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Err, not quite. Hunstanton to Kings Lynn on the A149 is mainly southerly until it reaches the A148. The road from Sandringham that enters the A149 enters it on a westerly heading so he would have been heading into the sunset.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 16:06
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FED, you are geographically correct however there were reports that he was returning to Sandringham, is heading East. There have been graphics published showing a Easterly direction.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 16:17
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One report I read at the time said he was entering the A road "from a private road".
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