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What`s a real and genuine asylum seeker

Old 3rd Jan 2019, 22:06
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
So there you have it, hope over reality.
Indeed. I'd pack it in if I were you.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 22:06
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It's harder to put in the effort to improve your own country than to just sneak in to one where others have already done the hard work for you.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 22:15
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The Dublin regulation is the law, whether you approve of it or not.
I expressed no opinion of it. I chose not to think in straight lines, to look beyond dogma. Others struggle with that it seems.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 22:29
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The first country you get to is not always the safest, My Grandfather left Prague in 1938 and walked across Europe to reach the UK. if he had stopped as soon as he was out of Czechoslovakia then what would have happened to him???
Something like what happened to Anne Frank, who did stop in the first safe country she came to?
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 22:36
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The problem I have with the modern crop of asyllum seekers is that unlike in times past, they receive asylum and then many become very keen on transforming the UK into a copy of the country they are alledgedly fleeing from....
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 23:32
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Something like what happened to Anne Frank, who did stop in the first safe country she came to?
Oh dear! Another one. What are you implying about the modern EU??!!! Surely it is ALL safe? Isn't it?
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 23:33
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Originally Posted by Sprogget View Post
I expressed no opinion of it. I chose not to think in straight lines, to look beyond dogma. Others struggle with that it seems.
Sprogget will stick to his dogma instead!
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 23:53
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Oh dear! Another one. What are you implying about the modern EU??!!! Surely it is ALL safe? Isn't it?
Suggest you read the post I was replying to. I wouldn't call 1938 "modern" in the context of this particular discussion.
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 08:10
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
Please put down your copy of the Daily Hate for a moment and read something that actually has facts.
The moment someone says this, I know they have nothing intelligent to add to the conversation.

But it is nice to know that Italy, Spain and France are unsafe countries. I will plan my holidays elsewhere....
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 08:52
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Originally Posted by eal401 View Post
The moment someone says this, I know they have nothing intelligent to add to the conversation.
That's the thing about words, they're so easy to type out. Turin has a point, whether you like it or not.


Of course YOU aren't remotely influenced by years of headlines like that. YOU are far too smart to fall for the rhetoric. YOU know the facts that 10,000 arrived in Greece in a single day in 2015 and that about 220 have tried to land here since November. YOU know Turin has nothing intelligent to add while these people risk everything to get here while you pontificate about where to take your next holiday.
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 09:24
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" I fled to the UK because business was not good.....at my shop......just down Taleqani Avenue from the "US Den of Espionage Historical Site".........

Not a refugee.
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 11:09
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Originally Posted by Sprogget View Post
That's the thing about words, they're so easy to type out. Turin has a point, whether you like it or not.


Of course YOU aren't remotely influenced by years of headlines like that. YOU are far too smart to fall for the rhetoric. YOU know the facts that 10,000 arrived in Greece in a single day in 2015 and that about 220 have tried to land here since November. YOU know Turin has nothing intelligent to add while these people risk everything to get here while you pontificate about where to take your next holiday.
I am no fan of the Express or Mail, despite what certain bigots may think.

But by all means show us which of these headlines are untrue and why they are untrue. I suspect the "Migrants cost 1m" each and "Immigrants bring more crime" to possibly be untrue but have no evidence whatsoever to support that.
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 19:52
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Originally Posted by Private jet View Post
The problem I have with the modern crop of asyllum seekers is that unlike in times past, they receive asylum and then many become very keen on transforming the UK into a copy of the country they are alledgedly fleeing from....
The above is certainly a view point that is shared by many others among host countries. Flows follow the line of least resistance. In the case of the current waves of asylum based immigration, so far as Europe is concerned, the UK with its many moral high roads, represents that line of least resistance. Such a state of affairs offers ideal ground for resettlement, with all cultural, ethnic and religious origins remaining intact and becoming the dominant gene over the host. So it is true that in time there is a good chance for the host to be transformed into a copy of the country from which the asylum seeker has fled.
Unless of course the asylum seeker is a genuine one. One that seeks protection, a safe harbour, until such time when the troubles are over and he/she can return to his own country, to his true home and to his own people, to where he/she belongs.
The fake asylum seeker`s motive is one of permanent settlement for economic betterment in the host country. In order that he/she may make this home, change in him or his host is a must. As to which one is more likely to change depends very much on which one possesses the greater strength.
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Old 5th Jan 2019, 18:54
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No doubt we have all heard Javid`s declaration of real and genuine asylum seekers. What`s one of these, is there really such a thing. Men, women, young old, boys, girls, babes in arms, running away from their homes, abandoning all they own and possess, in fear of their lives, persecuted, oppressed by their own folk, and to prefer to risk their lives in crossing the cold waters of the English Channel in inflatable dinghies in the dark of night. Who may these people and what they are running away from must be a really tough question. How and by whom these questions are to be answered is a costly one. Javid wonders why these people don`t seek asylum in the first country in which they land. I would have thought it is by now patently obvious why they choose the UK. Is it not that the UK is the friendliest and most accommodating legal haven to head for in the whole of the EU. But rush they must, the word is out, and that word is Brexit .
None of them.
They all have to transit other 'safe' countries to get here so we shouldn't get any.
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Old 5th Jan 2019, 19:45
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"They all have to transit other 'safe' countries to get here so we shouldn't get any."
But we do.
Why is that.
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 08:20
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Originally Posted by eal401 View Post
But by all means show us which of these headlines are untrue and why they are untrue.
No responses to the above question. Says a lot....
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 13:09
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It was "Mama Merkel" at the beginning... rapidly moving to "Allu Akbar" a few months later... then the Mosque building started in earnest.

I highly recommend "The strange death of Europe" - the bestselling analysis of the fall of Europe ("A controversial and devastatingly honest depiction of the demise of Europe"), a five star rating from 766 reviews on Amazon... (88% 5*, 6% 4*) to see the nightmare we are really heading to. Sorry about the bold but everybody should read this book.

To quote from the Camp of the Saints (an influence as well as a prophetic tale from the early 70's):

‘A million poor wretches, armed only with their weakness and their numbers, overwhelmed by misery, encumbered with starving brown and black children, ready to disembark on our soil, the vanguard of the multitudes pressing hard against every part of the tired and overfed West. I literally saw them, saw the major problem they presented, a problem absolutely insoluble by our present moral standards. To let them in would destroy us. To reject them would destroy them.’

Problems in Europe are only just beginning.
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 14:44
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Those images of the Daily Express are clearly faked...….

…..only one has a photo of Princess Diana.

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Old 9th Jan 2019, 20:48
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Flash 8 `s post no 57 is sobering reading.
The following extract from the Telegraph article "The March of Islam " published May 2006 adds further chill to the prospects for Europe.

"European officials admit that they have no idea how many people are making their way illegally into Europe. About 50,000 illegal immigrants are seized at Europe's ports or at sea every year, but it is impossible to say how many get through or die in the attempt. Every week Spanish police patrolling the waters between Africa and Europe catch dozens of people, most of them Moroccans, trying to sneak into southern Spain or, further south, the Canary Islands, in small smuggling boats known as pateras. For those who survive the journey, the Spanish town of EI Ejido is the point of entry into Europe. In the asphyxiating heat of the greenhouses there, 20,000 immigrants work in conditions that few Spaniards are willing to endure.

El Ejido is just one manifestation of what some call Eurabia. A youthful society to the south and east of the Mediterranean is quietly colonising, in the original Roman sense of the word, a senescent and secularised continent to the north and west of it. Today, at least 15 million Muslims have their home in the European Union, a number that seems certain to rise. The historian Bernard Lewis's prophecy that Muslims would be a majority in Europe by the end of the 21st century may go too far, but they may well outnumber believing Christians, given the collapse of church attendance and religious faith in Europe."

The full article may be read at at :https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...-of-Islam.html
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Old 10th Jan 2019, 00:43
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The historian Bernard Lewis's prophecy that Muslims would be a majority in Europe by the end of the 21st century may go too far
Food for thought, in Sweden there are now more migrant Muslim men 16-18* than there are Swedish born males of the same age.

*Admittedly self-reported, so expect some to be 30.
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