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Old 1st Jan 2019, 12:41
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I think if your choice is based on the diligence and impartiality of the supervising accident investigation and certification authorities authority you might end up with a very short list indeed once outside the EU etc and N America. Even then there are occasional question marks .
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Old 1st Jan 2019, 13:00
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If possible I always avoid Ryanair. When I was fa full time Corporate Pilot in Europe, we were regularly positioned on Ryanair.
The flights were regularly delayed. Especially the last flights of the day, usually when I was positioning back to the UK to get home.
It was truly miserable.
I try to avoid most of the airlines that people have mentioned here but I do avoid BA if possible, I feel that the standard of service is poor, recently flying to Shanghai with Virgin on the 787 I thought cattle was to be avoided in the future.
However one word of praise to Emirates. My Grandmother was taken seriously ill and would not last the night. My mother was inbound to Manchester from Dubai.
I contacted the duty manager and asked if he could expedite my Mother through Customs etc.
They excelled, the flight was brought straight in through the stack, arriving early, she was whisked off the flight, through the formalities and out the other end in minutes few.
She arrived in time to say goodbye.
Thank you Emirates.
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Old 1st Jan 2019, 13:01
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​​​​​​No idea, hence query.
Perhaps re-read the OP and see if any comprehension kicks in?
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Old 1st Jan 2019, 13:18
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Surprised that PIA hasn't had a mention.
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Old 1st Jan 2019, 13:22
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Many are knocking Egyptair but I've used them dozens of times from LHR to Cairo and Luxor. The flights have always been comfortable, relaxing and on time (apart from one due conveyor break down at LHR T2). If you miss your connection at night they'll put you up in the local Sheraton and make sure you get the next available flight.

Now they investing $2billion in new frames including the 787 and A220.

Good luck to them.
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Old 1st Jan 2019, 13:24
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Originally Posted by crewmeal View Post

Now they investing $2billion in new frames including the 787 and A220.

Having worked with some ex-egyptair guys in the Middle East I think they would be better off investing in some training rather than shiny new jets.
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Old 1st Jan 2019, 13:25
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I had a holiday booked with Easy Jet but following a cancer diagnosis I had to cancel. We were insured but I managed to cancel several bookings no cost. When I went online to cancel with EJ I could only reclaim the APTD. For some reason I could not get the APTD refund to work. I contacted the CEOs office. Someone rang back and then asked why I was cancelling. I told him cancer and he immediately refunded the full fare.

Will fly with them again.
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Old 1st Jan 2019, 14:04
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Statistically, the chances of any given airline killing you on any given day range from minuscule to infinitesimal.

Cost, convenience and comfort all come considerably higher up the list of factors influencing my choice than those that I'm not in a position to assess.
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Old 1st Jan 2019, 14:46
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After the way we were treated when EZY cancelled all their fights back to the UK from BCN one Sunday evening, I wouldn't go near them (a clue - their contempt for customers is out-sourced...)
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Old 1st Jan 2019, 15:06
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Originally Posted by Saintsman View Post
What is the most dangerous thing about flying?
Is it crashing?
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Old 1st Jan 2019, 19:48
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Spunky Monkey: I had a similar experience regards my mother. I was in Tel Aviv on a 5 day course. On day 4 I had a phone call from home telling me my mother had gone into hospital with lung cancer, all her "systems were shutting down" (never understood that phrase) and I needed to get home ASAP. The next morning I turned up at Ben Gurion and was thoroughly put through the wringer by some over zealous bint on security, demanding to know why I had moved my departure date forward a day at short notice. By the time I got on my flight, I was glad to be getting out of there. One of the cabin crew got chatting with me and I mentioned my predicament. The next thing I knew, she moved me to a seat right at the front of the plane and when we parked, I was greeted by ground staff who whisked me through everything super swift. And that airline was BA.
Before that, I had a similar call while working in Jeddah to tell me my Dad was on his way out. I had to go through hoops to get the exit visa (including a fellow ex Royal Signals mate to fake an incoming telex, without which I was not going to get the visa in a hurry). The flight was fully booked and I was travelling sub-load, working for IAL. The station manager told me not to worry. He said "You will be on that flight if you have to sit in the flight deck". Sure enough a seat was found and out I went. Again the airline was BA.
I often wonder why there seems to be a fashion here that demands criticism of BA. Flying them over 30 years to and from here, there and everywhere, I only ever had one gripe with them. That a "matronly" stewardess with a stitched on glower on her face and had a temper tantrum with me as I wasn't quick enough to switch off my Kindle. She was Spanish. Maybe Iberia had got fed up with complaints about her and had arranged for her to move over to BA. Who knows? But that was the only negative incident I ever encountered with BA.
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Old 1st Jan 2019, 21:08
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
I often wonder why there seems to be a fashion here that demands criticism of BA.
Traditionally it was the "we never remember you have a choice" attitude to customers (from the ex-BOAC bits of BA, the ex-BEA bits were OK). But

(1) that was a long time ago, and
(2) Ryanair now beat them by many orders of magnitude in those stakes.

But it does take rather a long time to shift a bad reputation once you've earned it.
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Old 1st Jan 2019, 22:02
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I would suggest your fine with pretty much any airline registered in the EU & N.America. You can consult the EU Air Safety List; Those airlines banned from EU airspace,also highlights some (unsurprising!) areas of the world you might wish to avoid air travel! IATA audits are an indicator,but some given clean bills of health, I would avoid. And always remember they might comply with the regulations,but the regulations are the minimum acceptable standard!
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Old 1st Jan 2019, 22:18
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When it comes to the crunch, I'll fly on just about anything if the need is there and it's the best of all alternatives.
Most memorable, Amur Airways sitting side-saddle amongst freight with earmuffs over foam earplugs and still rendered deaf for several hours.
It was still better than several days by truck up the frozen river - LUXURY even.
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 08:13
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If possible I avoid anything US. Not for safety reason. The service is just so way below everybody else. For example, was flying business class a couple of years back with AA. Even back then most long haul airlines had individual monitors even in Y class. Not so AA. I was giving a Samsung tablet for entertainment. That looked like a bad joke to me.
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 08:16
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Generally you are safest on wide body aircraft operated by major airlines between big airports. Fly on small turboprops operated by third world airlines into small airports in the mountains in bad weather and your chances of being involved in an accident skyrocket. Most flying we do falls somewhere in between.

I would personally avoid Lion Air Indonesia and Vietjet. Air Asia might cause me some concern depending on the country of registration and route to be flown. I would still fly on Malaysia Airlines as the two accidents were freak events and unlikely to be repeated.
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 08:26
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If possible I avoid anything US. Not for safety reason. The service is just so way below everybody else.
I'm inclined to agree. On Delta, the cabin crew always remind me of a care-in-the-community program. Usually sweet old things, but hardly capable of opening a can of coke; I shudder to think how they would cope in an emergency.
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 09:52
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Originally Posted by krismiler View Post
Fly on small turboprops operated by third world airlines into small airports in the mountains in bad weather and your chances of being involved in an accident skyrocket.
Well they skyrocket from infinitesimal to minuscule.
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 10:57
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Well they skyrocket from infinitesimal to minuscule.
I am sure this is true Dave, but Iím uneasy at the number of people I have known personally that have been killed in crashes.
And I never flew in the military. Just an observation. Maybe you can help with an answer?
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 11:58
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I recall flying from Dominican Republic to Miami with AA with not a scrap of refreshment available. I then spent 2 long hours navigating customs and immigration, despite being in transit to Montego Bay, again without the chance of a bite to eat. I then boarded yet another AA flight to Montego Bay on an aircraft once more bereft of refreshments. I was a hungry boy when I finally reached my hotel in Mobay at 23.55 I can tell you !!
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