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Old 19th Dec 2018, 15:47
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Winter Solstice

Only two more days until the shortest daylight of the year in the northern hemisphere. Interesting to see on timeanddate.com that, although the sun will continue to rise later and later until the 5th January, sunset is actually already getting later too, albeit only by a minute or so each day. On GMT, we have already passed the earliest setting.

However, every year I always wonder why we insist in the U.K. on putting the clocks back in late October, especially as statistically, there are more accidents in the dark evenings than in the mornings.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 15:52
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This question comes up most winters around this time.

It's almost as predictable as NORAD tracking Santa on his sleigh.
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I guess it could be worse. On the 27 November, in Tromso, Norway, the sun rose at 11:25AM and set at 11:45AM - 20 minutes of daylight. The residents won’t see a sunrise again until 15 January 2019.
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Despite it happening every year, I find both solstices (in general) very interesting. In Ireland there are several standing stone circles and the UNESCO site Newgrange that 'celebrate' the passing of the winter solstice every year for the last 5,300 years. Somehow the winter solstice creeps up on us after summer peters out and then it's dark going to work and dark coming home.

I can remember being in Reykjavik around this time of year and the sun arose, well half of it did for less than half an hour and then gave up and set again. Conversely in far northern Norway at high summer the bizarre permanent daylight was also disorientating, especially with the ol' pineal gland ;-)
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Despite it happening every year, I find both solstices (in general) very interesting. In Ireland there are several standing stone circles and the UNESCO site Newgrange that 'celebrate' the passing of the winter solstice every year for the last 5,300 years. Somehow the winter solstice creeps up on us after summer peters out and then it's dark going to work and dark coming home.

I can remember being in Reykjavik around this time of year and the sun arose, well half of it did for less than half an hour and then gave up and set again. Conversely in far northern Norway at high summer the bizarre permanent daylight was also disorientating, especially with the ol' pineal gland ;-)
When I worked in Norway in the summer I found I couldn't sleep and often went out running just before midnight (in partial daylight) to tire myself out..
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When I worked in Norway in the summer I found I couldn't sleep and often went out running just before midnight (in partial daylight) to tire myself out..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomnia_(1997_film)
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I've never been in any films - but Kristiansand? Thirty years ago I met a very friendly Norwegian lady who lived there.
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Itís always a day I like as for us in the northern hemisphere it marks the end of the days getting darker and psychologically it means we are getting (ever so slightly!) longer days and work our way toward the summer months. Itís always a day I pause and reflect on Lockerbie too and this year marks the 30th anniversary so its ever more symbolic with it happening not far at all from hoke.
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I was discussing the variation in the times of sunrise and sunset around the winter solstice and he referred me to this interesting URL:

https://www.timeanddate.com/astronom...n-of-time.html
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A PPRuNe member gave me the sites I needed to show the Colchester for Old Farts and Fogies why the shadows were 'wrong' on one of their many historic photos.

East hill is almost spot-on E-W and some of the shadows were pointing more or less South on an old photo with just one motorcycle and a horse in view. My guess is that it was 8AM at the earliest. I put it to the members that this lighting was strange without giving any technical details. Had them thinking though it's surprising, most of them had no idea this happens.
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post
I guess it could be worse. On the 27 November, in Tromso, Norway, the sun rose at 11:25AM and set at 11:45AM - 20 minutes of daylight. The residents wonít see a sunrise again until 15 January 2019.
One of the reasons why I left TromsÝ in '69.
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However, every year I always wonder why we insist in the U.K. on putting the clocks back in late October
Isn't it the EU that insists on this ?
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post

However, every year I always wonder why we insist in the U.K. on putting the clocks back in late October, especially as statistically, there are more accidents in the dark evenings than in the mornings.
I moved to Arizona last year for a job. The thing I like most about Arizona is that there is NO time change. The state just doesn't play along. It's always UTC-7. The whole year! This has the effect of reducing my angst over some of the things I find less appealing about my current "home".

Every year, there threatens to be a popular movement to abolish the semi-annual clock setting ritual throughout the several states, but it never quite reaches the political critical mass necessary to make it happen. Oh well...

Soon enough, the sun will bake the desert back into it's more normal condition: A seething cauldron of dry, dusty, uncomfortable heat that saps one's energy and motivation. Meanwhile, the shorter days and the more southerly wanderings of the polar jet stream are a welcome, if only temporary relief.

Happy Solstice!
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Isn't it the EU that insists on this ?
It's about the only thing they haven't tried to "harmonise", don't know why.
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
I've never been in any films - but Kristiansand? Thirty years ago I met a very friendly Norwegian lady who lived there.
Could be my mother? Iím about the right age. Those dark and cold Norwegian nights...
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Could be my mother? Iím about the right age. Those dark and cold Norwegian nights...
Your mother? Thanks for making an old man...remember that he's an old man!

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Thanks for making an old man
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You think that's bad? During my most recent visit to Saigon, I was chatting to a charming young lady in my favourite pub and I mentioned that my first visit to Vietnam was in 1994*.

"Oh," she said, "that's when my mother was born!"

*It could have been in the early 70s, except for a very deliberate career choice, but that's another story.
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