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Old 28th Jun 2019, 18:48
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Plenty of dyslexic pilots and poor spellers on here, but being able to captain an airliner requires a certain level of ability. It annoys me more when the marketing people write copy that has spelling and grammar mistakes. Do they never read anything written correctly and think "Oh, that's how you spell Yoke ine that context" and then stop misspelling it ever again.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 18:49
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Or even Tippex, as we are in pedant mode. It's on the side of the bottle.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 18:52
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Gotten is actually old English that was retained in use in the USA and dropped from use in the UK. They used it in the 17th/18th Century.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 19:02
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Blackfriar. Should there have been a question mark somewhere?, Here's a spare one for you ?
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 19:09
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Or even Tippex, as we are in pedant mode. It's on the side of the bottle.
Correct, but as you correctly capitalised it you realise that Tipped is a trade name whereas I have a typex correction pen from a different manufacturer.

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Old 28th Jun 2019, 20:48
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I find that Tippex is difficult to get off of the screen.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 21:54
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The purpose of grammar? To piss off the pedants. What needs to be determined, was the communication effective.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 23:58
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Grammar was invented by God for a reason too socially divisive to mention at this moribund moment.
Suffice to say that those with a mastery of the art of grammar may usually expect to bypass Purgatory and go straight to Heaven on the the day of the Pyschostasia.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 01:56
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Popular errors I have observed around the web. American English spellings.

brake vs break

lose vs loose

by vs bye vs buy

there vs their vs they're

aisle vs isle

collage vs college

passed vs past

ben vs been

an vs and

ware vs wear

worn vs warn

threw vs through (thru)

sell vs sale

then vs than

light vs lite

too vs to vs two

waist vs waste

flower vs flour

fair vs fare

picnic vs picknick

aloud vs allowed

nada vs notta

dam vs damn

plain vs plane

descent vs decent

sore vs soar

advice vs advise

ad (abbreviation for advertisement) vs add

wary vs weary







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Old 29th Jun 2019, 07:40
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Let's eat Grandma!

The panda eats, shoots, and leaves.

And so on. What do we use grammar for? Why do we need it, anyway?

For one thing, grammar makes our meaning clear when we write. We are not about to eat Grandma, and pandas are vegetarians, not pistoleros.

Yes, it can be pedantic to point out what is wrong with doughty West Coast's "What needs to be determined, was the communication effective," that he has a comma splice in there as written, plus a missing question mark. Correctly written it would be something like "What counts is that the meaning came across." (One word fewer; shorter words; no need for a rhetorical question.)

In this case a meaning came across, namely that he has little notion of how to use this grammar that he thinks does not matter much. That is probably not the meaning he meant to put across, so that it won't be the pedant who is upset but himself, for having to read that he has not mastered simple English grammar.

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Old 29th Jun 2019, 08:12
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Wait, did you mean weight?

Then there is capitalisation. The mass went to Mass.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 08:16
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
One less word
I think you mean "one fewer word".

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Old 29th Jun 2019, 08:21
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Less is better than fewer in the context and one word less is perhaps more suitable in the than one less word.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 09:05
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 09:24
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Stephen Fry on the wireless last week effectively saying that less= fewer and the two are interchangeable. He has a point of course but it still grates. One that similarly does is "I do" in answer to "Have you got?" I may well be wrong here but what is wrong with "I have" ?
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 10:49
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Every language has rules of grammar. They are there to help make things as clear as possible.

English is used by all and sundry throughout the world, and comes under stress and attack from all sides. Being flexible is a great thing, and of course the exception often proves the rule, but not when the meaning starts to be lost in chunks.

'I could of gone' sounds good to the ear, maybe, but the logical steps of 1. 'I could have gone', = 2. 'I could've gone' (spoken more quickly), have just been flushed down the cistern.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 11:03
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Someone mentioned earlier, the poor grammar in job applications. You should see the howlers advertised on some job sites. My current favourite is "the Scottish Boarders", instead of "the Scottish Borders". I wonder if the companies using these recruitment sites even bother to read their own vacancies. A few months ago I applied for a job on line with one of these recruitment agencies, and in the box for supporting comments, I pointed out that their ad stated that one of the qualities they were looking for, was attention to detail, and I said I had found 3 errors in their first paragraph. Funnily enough, I never heard back from them.

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Old 29th Jun 2019, 11:04
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EM,While I would tend to use "I have" in the above situation,I suppose that this and the alternative "I do",are both contractions of "I do have".
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 11:07
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“A man may take to drink because he feels himself to be a failure, and then fail all the more completely because he drinks.
It is
rather the same thing that is happening to the English language. It becomes ugly and inaccurate because our thoughts are foolish, but the slovenliness of our language makes it easier for us to have foolish thoughts.

The point is that the process is reversible. Modern
English, especially written English, is full of bad habits which spread by imitation and which can be avoided if one is willing to take the necessary trouble. If one gets rid of these habits one can think more clearly, and to think clearly is a necessary first step toward political regeneration: so that the fight against bad English is not frivolous and is not the exclusive concern of professional writers.”

George Orwell

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Old 29th Jun 2019, 11:15
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Friend was telling me last night about his alma mater getting a very posh and expensive new sign made for the main entrance in the late 1960s. Amid great excitement from the assembled pupils and staff, the chairman of the governors unveiled the sign which read "St *********** Grammer School".
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