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Old 6th Nov 2018, 18:16
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 18:27
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Innominate, 20+ is nearer to 40+ as large brand new Coop was not the first to use bar codes but was the first to use talking checkouts.

It was quite amusing to hear till 3 announce bottle of whiskey, party crackers, panties etc etc with 24 active tills all shouting out what Mrs McTavish had bought etc. Lasted a week.

The first bar code scanner was in Spalding or some such back water and opened by a friend who has been retired 25 years.
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 20:11
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Simple things made difficult, can I add my pet annoyance of the week ?

Not too long ago, we bought milk in glass bottles with a screw top - easy to open and close ; easy to wash and use for other things ; easily recycled if not needed.

These days, the only milk we are able to buy in our small village superette is in a plasticised box. You need scissors to open it and then can't reseal it. Once opened, and still fairly full, as soon as you grip it to put it away in the fridge or take it out of the fridge, the box collapses inwards and the milk pours outwards. And compared to glass, almost impossible to recycle as I understand it.

Grrrr.....
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 20:19
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Milk freezes well.
Save the earlier container (or use another) and freeze half of it.
Easy - or is that ‘facile’?
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 20:31
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Originally Posted by NRU74 View Post
Milk freezes well.
Save the earlier container (or use another) and freeze half of it.
Easy - or is that ‘facile’?

Oui....facile.

Good tip. But would just prefer our milk in a screw top bottle - admittedly, available at the hyper about 40kms away - but we just seem to spill milk every time we open and use a new box for the first couple of days, so maybe I'll just buy a funnel and then ( carefully, don't grip too tight !!! ) empty the box into an old cola bottle.
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Isn't one of the main problems that people with no practical knowledge of a problem (often computer programmers) change something because it demonstrates (to themselves maybe) just how clever they are, Self driving cars is a good example, technology pursued for its own sake rather than to fill a need.
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Isn't one of the main problems that people with no practical knowledge of a problem (often computer programmers) change something because it demonstrates (to themselves maybe) just how clever they are, Self driving cars is a good example, technology pursued for its own sake rather than to fill a need.
Forty years ago, this was called 'dog-dick' technology, because it's done for the same reason a dog licks his dick - because he can.
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Ancillary to the theme of this thread. There was a company a while back which compensated coders by the # of lines of code produced. It didn't take long for simple and elegant code to turn real ugly.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 00:42
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Child proof containers that only a 5 yr. old can open.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 04:51
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Talking of coding, this is pertinent. I sent an enquiry to a mod that I know, on behalf of a friend, who has been banned from all the fora on PPRuNe. Here is part of his reply:

Due to changes in the software which underlies PPRuNe, it is no longer possible for a "thread ban" to be issued, only a complete ban.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 05:31
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So is that an error in coding or an error in specification?

I've always regarded programmers as cerebral labourers - tell them exactly what needs to be done and you'll probably get it. Give them any latitude and you don't know what you'll get.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 07:25
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Hussar, at least in UK most outlets use a screw top plastic bottles in sizes from 1/2 litre to 2 ltr. I even saw two glass bottles on a doorstep yesterday!

As for freezing milk, not tried it recently but you could not freeze the old style milk with cream on top. Now with homogenized full, semi, or low fat milks it may work better.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 07:30
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We've had our milk delivered in glass, reusable, bottles for many years now. I've never managed to understand why the Tetrapak became so successful, given the significant flaws in its design. Even when you've mastered the technique of opening a Tetrapak properly, it's still far too easy to spill the contents and the inability to adequately reseal it after first use is a major downside, IMHO.
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Remember that other wonderful attempt: the plastic bag of milk. Absolutely brilliant. A box of bags was almost 99% milk and virtually no wasted space. And that was its only advantage. You needed to decant to a jug or use a special jug that you put the bag in. It came in one size. Probably invented by someone that used to take a jug to the dairy every day.

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Going back to one of the initial posts in this thread (and a cross thread with the concurrent Pubs thread)... had breakfast in Wetherspoons pub this morning; after two cups of coffee, used the facilites and, yes, the cold tap attempted to spray me with water... forewarned is forearmed and I managed to avoid the wet lap scenario...

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Isn't one of the main problems that people with no practical knowledge of a problem (often computer programmers) change something because it demonstrates (to themselves maybe) just how clever they are, Self driving cars is a good example, technology pursued for its own sake rather than to fill a need.
New boss: "Why do you it like that?" "Cos we always done it like that." "Well from now on you're going to do it like this." "Doing it like this don't work as well as doing like that." "Who's in charge?*" I lasted a lot longer in the company than she did...

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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
plastic bag of milk. Absolutely brilliant.
Whoops, almost replied with a totally different product in mind. Good thing I googled it first. Others who have not seen such packaging may find these links useful:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_bag
Why Do Canadians Drink Milk in Bags? Mental Floss

What I thought you were talking about was what an ex-colleague described to me 20 years ago. He said that the milkman used to deliver, in addition to glass bottles (600ml) and paper cartons (1l and 2l), large bags of fresh milk (5l I think). He described them as similar to cask wine without the cardboard box but with the same pouring mechanism. He liked the size and packaging, having young children that drain the bags quickly. He was disappointed when the milkman stopped supplying them because a single torn bag during delivery eats up the profits.

Anyone else knows about these? It may have been available in Australia only.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 13:14
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C C, quite so. However D2 had a dairy product allergy so we sourced goat's milk. The supplier provided it frozen in plastic bags. Very convenient in this case.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 13:54
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Originally Posted by funfly View Post
Self driving cars is a good example, technology pursued for its own sake rather than to fill a need.
You mean apart from the 1,250,000 people killed on the roads last year?
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You mean apart from the 1,250,000 people killed on the roads last year?
Who says they will not add to that number.......? (Take it the figure is world wide??)
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Originally Posted by Hydromet View Post
So is that an error in coding or an error in specification?

I've always regarded programmers as cerebral labourers - tell them exactly what needs to be done and you'll probably get it.
Well, eventually.

If I am asked to produce something that is obviously wrong I will question it. If asked again, I will question it again.

When asked the third time I've got a choice:

(1) shut up, do what I'm told, deliver the crap that the customer/employer is insisting on, and hope it doesn't kill anyone or end up as a failed project on my CV (the Bellman approach - "what I tell you three times is true")

(2) "Sorry mate, can't do that, against my professional code of conduct, those letters are after a name for a good reason and I want to keep them." And then a polite version of "you can stick your contract / job".
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