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Old 19th Dec 2018, 09:09
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I would be happy with the May/EU deal, No deal and Remain. Two votes to be cast, first and second preferences.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 09:12
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There was a very good reason that the C4 interviewer treated the two interviewees differently. The minister was, as per, refusing to answer difficult questions. These were questions that need answers, it's them that are steering this disaster full ahead onto the rocks.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 09:16
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I saw C4 news the first time around and was struck by the way the interviewer gave the government minister a hard time ,constantly interupting him but gave free reign to Soubry to get her message across without any interuptions at all.
Quite right too!
It's the interviewer's job to interrupt someone who is clearly avoiding an answer to the question and just trotting out the official line.
If they fail to do so the interview is just a waste of time.

Edit : crossed with previous answer.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 09:21
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Theresa is offering beans for dinner. Boris and John want lobster. But they donít have any and donít know how to cook it if they did. Vince wants steak. But 52% of the family are vegetarian. Jeremy says all Theresaís ideas are rubbish but he has none of his own nor anything to put on the table. Time to decide: whatís for dinner?
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 09:36
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Brexit: 'Horrified' firms warn time is running out
Keep enjoying your "Brexit"
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 09:42
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Not a Corbyn fan but.. I wonder if he is being a little more canny than we are giving him credit for? Is it possible he is keeping his powder dry until he feels the moment is right, waiting to produce a "bish, bash, bosh" that will guarantee him a win?
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 09:50
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Theresa is offering beans for dinner. Boris and John want lobster. But they donít have any and donít know how to cook it if they did. Vince wants steak. But 52% of the family are vegetarian. Jeremy says all Theresaís ideas are rubbish but he has none of his own nor anything to put on the table. Time to decide: whatís for dinner?
Who is John?
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 09:50
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Originally Posted by Sprogget View Post
The only wasted thing there is an apostrophe.

Where? .
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 09:56
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Originally Posted by yotty View Post
I saw C4 news the first time around and was struck by the way the interviewer gave the government minister a hard time ,constantly interupting him but gave free reign to Soubry to get her message across without any interuptions at all.
The government minister is responsible, collectively for the national suicide over which they are presiding, and therefore should be cross examined vigourously. Having watched the whole programme I would agree that Jon Snow didn't shout down Anna Soubry to the same extent that the female presenter did the government minister, but then the government minister was being, as they are trained to be, darn right evasive and absolutely stonewalled the questions. Rebecca long Bailey was about as pathetic as the government minister, but got away, I thought very lightly.

However all these political interviews were a side show, compared with the harsh realities of a no deal crash out on 29th March that were expressed by the manager of Harbour Shipping in Dover. This man isn't some paid political lobbyist, he has no time for that, his job is paperwork and keeping trucks moving, and the 15cm deep file of customs documents will be absolutely indicative of what he'll be faced with eventually, but on 30th match 2019 for every single groupage trailer passing through the port (his and the handful of customs clearance agents remaining at Dover) will have to administer. There won't be enough room for the filing cabinets, let alone the extra staff, and most of the land that was port offices for clearance agents has been reallocated for other uses. That wasn't project fear, that, my friends is project reality! The report from EMA, though rather ridiculously showing constant VT of passenger aircraft paints a similar, though somewhat less dire picture.

What is it that the government, and in particular Brexit supporting ministers and MPs fail to understand, are they stupid, blind, deaf of just all victims of special educational needs???
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 10:01
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Originally Posted by Sprogget View Post
today where we learn the Government is writing to 140,000 businesses warning them to prepare for no deal, public service announcements to be made in the coming weeks. Medicines stockpiled,
Which is what Cameron's Government should have done before the election and May's after her's.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 10:06
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Ask the question. Why have conservatives waited until the last working day before the House rises to publish their immigration White Paper? How will the minimum earnings threshold affect recruitment across key sectors. Does that figure accurately reflect starting salaries for graduates in Britain (let alone semi-skilled workers in key sectors).

This is discrimination.

Why would a conservative Prime Minister choose to ignore the advice of experts and shrink the UK economy.

The answer to that question was provided recently by one D. Cameron...

"It was the right thing to do".

How much longer will people tolerate such nonsense.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 10:11
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Ask the question. Why have conservatives waited until the last working day before the House rises to publish their immigration White Paper? How will the minimum earnings threshold affect recruitment across key sectors. Does that figure accurately reflect starting salaries for graduates in modern Britain (let alone semi-skilled workers in key sectors).

This is discrimination.

Why would a conservative Prime Minister choose to ignore the advice of experts and shrink the UK economy.

The answer to that question was provided recently by one D. Cameron...

"It was the right thing to do".

How much longer will people tolerate such nonsense.
You forgot the most important reason: "it's the will of the people" - like heck it is!!!
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 10:16
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Which is what Cameron's Government should have done before the election and May's after her's.
Hers' since you asked.

But I'm no Cavorting Cheetah. On your point, perhaps we can say Dave's one saving grace was not to go to that exact place in order to scare people, whilst acknowledging that is a wide open goal on my part, it does speak to a wider point about May, (who has now spent 1bn on the DUP & 2bn on 'contingencies' all in pursuit of her own personal folly) & Cameron. One who is trying every trick in the book from avoiding parliament to running the clock down to get her way & the other who failed to communicate the exact consequences of leaving. Luckily, we now know what a disaster no deal is & like someone who buys a house, only to discover subsidence & knotweed on the survey, level heads are doing their damnedest to change course for the good of all of us.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 10:43
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And I'd be keen to hear from Brexiters who cannot possibly claim that this will benefit the economy, which is beyond dispute on any reasonable analysis but who are keen on controlling immigration AND who heard the home secretary this morning be invited repeatedly to reaffirm the Tory manifesto commitment to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands yet decline to do so. Surely this leaves you only with 'sovereignty' on your Brexit tick list which is such a chimeric notion that we could have a jolly old ding dong on the subject for months.


I mean it all looks a bit in tatters compared with the joyous choruses of Jerusalem & sunlit uplands of June 2016, no?
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 11:13
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Boris, Jacob and friends seem to think leaving with no deal is acceptable to them. Can I ask if there is any business that employs people or pays taxes that will benefit? I am struggling to think of one. It is equally hard to think of a business that will export more in such a scenario. My assumption being that you need such organisations to generate tax revenue to pay for things like the NHS.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 11:17
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Originally Posted by Cheltman View Post
Boris, Jacob and friends seem to think leaving with no deal is acceptable to them. Can I ask if there is any business that employs people or pays taxes that will benefit? I am struggling to think of one. It is equally hard to think of a business that will export more in such a scenario. My assumption being that you need such organisations to generate tax revenue to pay for things like the NHS.
Of course you do, and bit by bit UK businesses are making contingencies by opening warehouses and offices within the EU. Once they are opened they won't be closed just because the UK government has a sudden attack of common sense, they're gone - and with it goes tax revenues, lining the koffers of the German, Dutch or Irish exchequer rather than ours.

The only way open to financing the NHS, social care, education, the armed forces etc etc is through government borrowing, and that doesn't generally end up well, especially as after a crash out the UK's credit status will move further towards junk, and the cost of government borrowing will rise.

I forecast the IMF will be in within 2 years of a no deal Brexit.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 11:33
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I run a UK only primary distribution business. I move goods in industrial quantity from factory to warehouse. None of my operation trades cross border, not a single pallet. However, 90% of my customers import either raw materials or finished goods from the EU for which I provide onward distribution. In the event of no deal, discussions with my clients lead me to conclude my chances of surviving next year at roughly 50/50. That's risking a decent chunk of VAT, Corp tax, PAYE and by extension, if things really disintegrate, potentially even the roof over my head given I'm in my forties with a swingeing mortgage & all the rest of it.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 11:53
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I don't understand this hysteria over stockpiling goods such as food, medicines etc. We are talking about imports to the UK here. H.M. Government has the say over what comes in and what doesn't, rates of duty etc. In the event of a government sponsored catastrophe, it is within their writ to say "Yeah, let 'em all in" or otherwise. In other words, stockpiles' 10,000 mile long jams at the ports etc are entirely within the government's control. Are they really so stupid that they have not yet figured this out?
Speaking of stupid, I am puzzled over the attitude of (I think) the EU attitude toward setting up a post-Brexit trade deal with the UK. They have said on more than one occasion that this can not be negotiated until post-Brexit. Why? Surely it is common sense that, when you see an undesirable set of events looming up in the distance, one should start to plan for, perhaps even agree, an arrangement to cover the next step. Said agreements to be held dormant with an automatic entry into force a minute after the current arrangements cease?
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 11:59
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Military Aid to the Civil Power

It turned out that any coordinated request for volunteers would be interpreted as instructing the troops for duty and would involve a cost for their services . . .
And only right and proper in instances like the Firemans' strike or Foot and Mouth. Where it is a matter of life and death then help would usually be forthcoming and argue later. Mountain rescue is an obvious instance. A large area search for a missing child another.

Shoring up a river bank is one thing, moving furniture is something else.
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