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Old 10th Nov 2018, 07:25
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POLITICO:Jeremy Corbyn: ‘We can’t stop Brexit’

The Labour leader told Der Spiegel it was important to understand why people voted to leave the European Union.

11/9/18, 8:04 PM CET

Brexit can’t be stopped, according to U.K. Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.

In an interview with Germany’s Der Spiegel, extracts of which were published today, Corbyn was asked if he would stop Brexit if he could because the U.K. is so divided.said. “The referendum took place. Article 50 has been triggered. What we can do is recognize the reasons why people voted Leave.”

“I think a lot of people have been totally angered by the way in which their communities have been left behind. We had high Leave votes in the most left-behind areas of the country. In a lot of deprived areas, working conditions have deteriorated over the decades, protected by European legislation.”........




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Old 10th Nov 2018, 08:03
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There's a very poignant and sombre correlation depicted here.....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-armistice-day
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 10:47
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
There's a very poignant and sombre correlation depicted here.....
Please do NOT use caricatures of the fallen to express your political ideals.

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Old 10th Nov 2018, 11:49
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Corbyn put out this tweet last night...

[QUOTE]"On the 80th anniversary of the horrors of Kristallnacht, when Jews in Germany faced murder and deportation, the hate-filled ideologies of the far right are on the rise again. We stand united with Jewish people and all communities against antisemitism and fascism."[/QUOTE]

Shame, irony and hypocrisy doesn't feature in his world.
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[QUOTE=sitigeltfel;10307332]Corbyn put out this tweet last night...

"On the 80th anniversary of the horrors of Kristallnacht, when Jews in Germany faced murder and deportation, the hate-filled ideologies of the far right are on the rise again. We stand united with Jewish people and all communities against antisemitism and fascism."[/QUOTE]

Shame, irony and hypocrisy doesn't feature in his world.
The irony I see is that England refused to allow the Jewish peoples into England at that time.
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 13:04
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As (shamefully) did almost every other country. Ostensibly so as not to facilitate the Nazi agenda of mass-deportation. In reality possibly mixed with less noble motives. Good piece of whataboutery that doesnít get Labour off for itís cynical present-day behaviour.
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
Corbyn put out this tweet last night...

The irony I see is that England refused to allow the Jewish peoples into England at that time.
UK, not England.

Interesting to a speculate where Britian would be now had it taken a different course then and offered asylum.
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 13:31
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POLITICO:Jeremy Corbyn: ĎWe canít stop Brexití

The Labour leader told Der Spiegel it was important to understand why people voted to leave the European Union.

11/9/18, 8:04 PM CET

Brexit canít be stopped, according to U.K. Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.

In an interview with Germanyís Der Spiegel,

For the sake of accuracy and clarity, was that 11th Sep or 9th Nov?
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 14:45
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As (shamefully) did almost every other country. Ostensibly so as not to facilitate the Nazi agenda of mass-deportation. In reality possibly mixed with less noble motives. Good piece of whataboutery that doesnít get Labour off for itís cynical present-day behaviour.
One can only assume that the current trait of being anti migrant has it's roots rather further back in History as June 2016, or indeed the Windrush generation. Absolutely shameful.
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 14:52
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Mr Johnson said that the prime minister had mishandled Brexit. “It has become increasingly clear to me that the withdrawal agreement, which is being finalised in Brussels and Whitehall even as I write, will be a terrible mistake. The first option is the one the government is proposing: an agreement that will leave our country economically weakened . . . The second option is a no-deal Brexit that I know as a transport minister will inflict untold damage on our nation. To present the nation with a choice between two deeply unattractive outcomes, vassalage and chaos, is a failure of British statecraft on a scale unseen since the Suez crisis.”
What a situation for our once proud nation. No wonder we have become a laughing stock across Europe.
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 15:39
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And the edifice continues to crumble. Jo Johnson, brother of the class idiot, has quit the cabinet. There should be smoke coming from the hinges of the revolving door to the cabinet by now!
Minor quibble - he has resigned from the Government, not the cabinet. He was "Minister of State" for transport (and Minister for London, as a concurrent post) and this is the middle of the three ministerial ranks - it's above "parliamentary under-secretary" and below "Secretary of State". Only those with the rank of "Secretary of State" are generally included in the Cabinet, although there can be co-opted members of lesser ranks when wanted. JoJo wasn't ever in the cabinet, although some felt he was being groomed for a cabinet post in the next reshuffle.

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Old 10th Nov 2018, 15:46
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One can only assume that the current trait of being anti migrant has it's roots rather further back in History as June 2016, or indeed the Windrush generation. Absolutely shameful.
quite content to see a goodly number in the 17th century.

On the other hand, refuge given to no less than the great disrupter, Karl Marx.
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 15:59
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One can only assume that the current trait of being anti migrant has it's roots rather further back in History as June 2016, or indeed the Windrush generation. Absolutely shameful.
I am no sure there are parallels. Post War we had an active emigration to the colonies especially Australia and also Government sponsored immigration from the Caribbean to do essentially manual jobs. I don't think the public had much say in the matter.

I think public protest arose later as particular cities became saturated with individual immigrant groups who displaced the indigenous population. Some groups integrated, particularly those displaced from Uganda but other simply took over their area.
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I think public protest arose later as particular cities became saturated with individual immigrant groups who displaced the indigenous population. Some groups integrated, particularly those displaced from Uganda but other simply took over their area.
You are surely right about distinguishing between government policy of active migration in order not to stifle growth and public reaction to it. But I doubt very much if there was a time lag between policy-driven immigration and public resistance to it.

More still, „oversaturation“ and „displacing the indigenous polpulation“ are theories that the far right love to propagate. Most white indigenous migration in the UK and elsewhere has been “white flight“, leaving an increasing concentration of poorer and less skilled white residents behind. Economic migrants move to the cheapest places to live in places they can find work and support networks. Who wouldn‘t? Naturally, this can in time lead to a situation where the total population of first to third generation migrants outnumbers the ethnicity of people who can trace their indigony over many more

Vanley Burke‘s biography currently broadcast on Desert Island Discs gives insight into how this works at a personal level.





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Old 10th Nov 2018, 16:25
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Minor quibble - he has resigned from the Government, not the Cabinet
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 16:27
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For the sake of accuracy and clarity, was that 11th Sep or 9th Nov?
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Interview with Labour Leader Corbyn: 'We Can't Stop Brexit' - SPIEGEL ONLINE
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 21:25
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What you fail to realise is the reason that Corbyn is taking this line. He knows that Brexit is going to be a disaster and he hopes to clean up politically on he fallout. It's a completely cynical move and the government is playing right into his hands,
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 21:45
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Exactly. Corbyn may be a crypto-communist, but he is not a complete fool.
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 22:36
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Indeed, why on earth would Corbyn take a clear position, knowing that Brexit is a poisoned chalice whichever side you chose to drink from. Accusing him of cynicism rather misses the reality of this and the fact that it was a cocksure Conservative party with a large majority which embarked on this fiasco.

Labour MPs should vote in the national interest when the “deal” or lack of it is finally known. Assuming that is, that there is agreement about what that might be. The UK is going to come out of this worse off than it was, whatever happens. Whichever position is taken, many MPs can expect to be deselected for disappointing one section of the electorate or the other. What a complete mess.
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