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Old 14th Dec 2018, 20:36
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
There wont be any serious pro brexit process if referendum 2 works out the sane and sensible way. .
pax, that is exactly the stupid statement as silly as saying that there will be referenda until the majority arrive at the correct decision.

if the vote was 48-52 would you deny Brexiters the right to a third referendum?

If the vote was 52-48 would remainers accept the democratic majority an stop campaigning?
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 20:45
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Originally Posted by Chronus View Post
If we leave without a deal, does it mean we wont have to pay the 39 billion. Lots of hot air about something to do with Irish backsides, but nothing about what the 39000000000 peanuts are for.Could it possibly be for a go at the Euro Lottery.
Leaving with no deal means paying nothing but tarrifs will be imposed plus a fairly rapid movement of jobs offshore. City will be hit hard and they pay massive amounts of tax so ultimately Govt will be forced to make massive cuts everywhere. Listen to what car manufacturers have been saying for months as they can no longer compete in EU so they will move there.

1 job lost in the city of £250k (basic), will require 25 new jobs earning £25,000k to make up tax shortfall, forget about the VAT that country gains from somebody with lots of spending power as well. Jobs are going from the city as more and more move to Frankfurt, Amsterdam. Paris and Dublin.
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 21:15
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
in accordance with its constitutional requirements........”
Yes, that's right, and the courts are in the process of deciding what those "constitutional requirements" are - I don't know what they are, and you don't know what they are, the courts will decide. If I see any more pleas for cash from Jo I'll make another contribution. (Provided there's an option other than PayPal of course.)
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 21:18
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The Supreme Court already made that ruling in the Gina Miller case.
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 21:25
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These are the people who claim that Brexit voters are the thickies !

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Old 14th Dec 2018, 21:34
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
The Supreme Court already made that ruling in the Gina Miller case.
No, as I have already explained, the Supreme Court decided what was necessary specifically to take away British citizens' rights. Revoking A50 doesn't do that, so the answer may be different. We don't know.
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 21:41
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
https://twitter.com/i/status/1073374452317065216

These are the people who claim that Brexit voters are the thickies !

Also Leave Eu applauding a pack of Brexit bell ends blocking Westminster bridge, holding up an ambulance & one of them giving it the finger. Of course, it's very easy to throw stones from some valley north of Marseiile.

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Old 14th Dec 2018, 21:45
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So if the UK refuses to build a hard border and Eire does the same, could the EU enforce it?

watched the remoaner. On Andrew Neil's show, what a totally delusional person and she couldn't even see the irony of the above post where she would accept the result of a second referendum, but not the first.
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 21:45
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
https://twitter.com/i/status/1073374452317065216

These are the people who claim that Brexit voters are the thickies !
The real thickies are the Brexiteers who repeatedly insisted that the EU were bluffing and would have to give way at the last minute.
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 21:57
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Oh dear. More mature debate.
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 22:00
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
The real thickies are the Brexiteers who repeatedly insisted that the EU were bluffing and would have to give way at the last minute.
And you'd have to be extraordinarily thick to believe that the last minute has arrived.
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 22:25
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Agreed months to play this out.
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 22:40
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So the EU are still going to turn.round and hand out the cherries? You really believe that?
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 23:48
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I never said that, simply that there are still sadly months of this to go.
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 00:44
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It is a sad fact that no one under the age of 60 can remember life outside of the EEC/EU. Everyone younger than that is arguing the case for or against Brexit in a complete absence of knowledge of what life was actually like outside the EEC/EU. A huge segment of the population had a somewhat justified intense hatred of Germany and anything German. The younger post war baby boom population carried the vote to join. On reflection, we now realise our parents were right all along and the old rivalries are still there hidden behind political rhetoric. That is why the UK must leave the EU. We will never fit in with the EU ideology. Hard Brexit is the political reality and we should be happy to go along with that to respect the sacrifices our parents and grandparents made, which were far greater than anything we are being asked to do now.
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 06:30
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As Treeza has been notching up the air miles recently, plus postponing her relocation from her current abode.....well until early in the New Year anyway, and the focus has been on the UK's ability to demonstrate to the world why the "easiest deal in history " will join the list of other political gaffes, there still remains a few inconvenient domestic issues to be addressed.

Thankfully, Amber will be monitoring this debacle .....which will doubtless be comforting for those affected.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46553004
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 07:54
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Krystal, Liam Fox said it would be the "easiest deal in history " or words to that effect., implying that it was a generally held view is just the usual disingenuous spin that the extremists on both sides continue to spout.
I'm sure nobody here is foolish enough to take such mendacity seriously
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 09:05
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Thankfully, Amber will be monitoring this debacle .....which will doubtless be comforting for those affected.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46553004
Very sad, but I have to ask the obvious question - why is the child's father not paying for his son's welfare?
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 09:28
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Don't know. But if you do the National Crime Agency, who are investigation the source of funds would be only to willing to see your evidence.

Banks claims it is from his businesses. Until proven otherwise he has a right to be taken at his word, much as i hate the toady.
I'm sure the NCA are on it. Meanwhile, we'll have to wait for the facts as Aron wouldn't tell Parliament yet we know he lied repeatedly about meetings with Yakovenko & tried to conceal Russian offers of investments in gold mines. The inescapable conclusion of all this is he's up to his balls in it. If there's one thing worse than an apologist, it's a traitor.
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 09:30
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
It is a sad fact that no one under the age of 60 can remember life outside of the EEC/EU. Everyone younger than that is arguing the case for or against Brexit in a complete absence of knowledge of what life was actually like outside the EEC/EU. A huge segment of the population had a somewhat justified intense hatred of Germany and anything German. The younger post war baby boom population carried the vote to join. On reflection, we now realise our parents were right all along and the old rivalries are still there hidden behind political rhetoric. That is why the UK must leave the EU. We will never fit in with the EU ideology. Hard Brexit is the political reality and we should be happy to go along with that to respect the sacrifices our parents and grandparents made, which were far greater than anything we are being asked to do now.

The entire world has moved on a long way since 1974. Yet people are desperate to take us back there. Forgetting that “back there” doesn’t exist anymore
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