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Old 12th Dec 2019, 15:55
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Of course, we will hear the old 'Anti-Zionism not Anti-Semitic' rubbish but nobody actually believes that. It just provides a convenient get-out clause for the reality that has probably always been there and now the genie has well and truly been let out of the bottle.
Serious question.
If someone is against Zionism but is not actually anti-semitic, how would you suggest they could display their anti-Zionism without being accused of being anti-semitic?

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Old 12th Dec 2019, 16:18
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The same way you can be opposed to immigration but people don't think your a racist.. oh er hang on
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 16:24
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
Nige321 - I'm afraid you owe me a new keyboard!! Coffee everywhere after such a ringing endorsement of someone who may shamble into office to lead the country into post EU isolation!! ... Sorry, but at least Boris can get his shoes on in the right order.
There are no accompanying emoticons so I have to assume that it was straight-faced serious! You may, possibly, have missed your vocation in product endorsement or perhaps you really do feel that to be a high-point encouragement to vote for him!
The world is a gey strange place!
Jack I suggest you get back to your tin mine or lobster pots.
No, Boris isn't ideal, but with the alternatives being an anti-business, terrorist-loving, anti-semitic fantasist or a woman so far out of her depth even her own party despair of her, then to ME it's the only way to go.
I'm sure you don't like it.
Tough...
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 16:25
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post
Jack I suggest you get back to your tin mine or lobster pots.
No, Boris isn't ideal, but with the alternatives being an anti-business, terrorist-loving, anti-semitic fantasist or a woman so far out of her depth even her own party despair of her, then to ME it's the only way to go.
I'm sure you don't like it.
Tough...

Some of us have another choice
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 16:41
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Some of us have another choice
What? krankie...?!
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 16:47
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If someone is against Zionism but is not actually anti-semitic, how would you suggest they could display their anti-Zionism without being accused of being anti-semitic?
If you really do feel the need to display your anti-Zionism (why does Isreal get such special treatment ) then I would suggest you do it against the Isreali government and not the Jewish people.

I would also say it has no place in UK politics and question why it has such a special place in the hearts of Labour supporters and those on the left?

The other parties manage to keep it out and don't hand out flags at the party conference. Why not Labour?






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Old 12th Dec 2019, 16:48
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post
Jack I suggest you get back to your tin mine or lobster pots.
No, Boris isn't ideal, but with the alternatives being an anti-business, terrorist-loving, anti-semitic fantasist or a woman so far out of her depth even her own party despair of her, then to ME it's the only way to go.
I'm sure you don't like it.
Tough...
What was it Boris said a few months ago. Oh yes, f*@k business
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 17:12
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Serious question.
If someone is against Zionism but is not actually anti-semitic, how would you suggest they could display their anti-Zionism without being accused of being anti-semitic?

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depends which part of Zionism one is against.

If one is advocating the destruction of Israel, and that the Jews shouldn't be allowed self-determination, than I would say that's pretty anti-Semitic.

if one supports a two state solution, ie one doesn't need to be against Israel to support a palestinian state, then that is not anti-Semitic.

'from the river to the sea.....' is the destruction of Israel.


Pakistan was created around the same time as Israel. Thousands have died in the continuing conflict and that conflict and border dispute continue today. But no one has ever advocated the destruction of Pakistan, no one has ever suggested that Pakistan be removed and replaced with a different country.

All IMHO




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Old 12th Dec 2019, 17:19
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Perhaps one or two among us should read this:
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org...s-is-bollocks/
Written by a Jewish person.
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 17:28
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Perhaps one or two among us should read this
Quick send it to the human rights commission who are investigating the Labour party. Send it to the thousands of Jews in the UK who are today praying that Labour doesn't win and have made plans to leave if they do. Send it to the thousands of Jews who have had to put up with an increasing level of hatred towards them since Corbyn became the leader. Those who have seen their homes and businesses daubed with swastikas and been shouted at in the street by momentum thugs.

After all, it's one article written by 'a Jewish person' so overrides all of the above.
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 17:32
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Our dog informs me she is thinking of acting as the agent on behalf of all those dogs who were forced to attend, and be photographed, outside polling stations, in atrocious weather and who were clearly being exploited for political gain.
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 17:49
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I wonder how many trees have been cut down to print all of the election rubbish I now have in my recycling bin.
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 18:01
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OK - how much hot air has been exhausted from Server Farms holding all the election trash in the world and how much greenhouse gas has been chucked out from the millions of air conditioners needed to cool them.

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Old 12th Dec 2019, 18:33
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Originally Posted by felixflyer View Post
Send it to the thousands of Jews in the UK who are today praying that Labour doesn't win and have made plans to leave if they do.
Leave what?

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Old 12th Dec 2019, 18:38
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Originally Posted by N707ZS View Post
I wonder how many trees have been cut down to print all of the election rubbish I now have in my recycling bin.
Not many. Only got a personally addressed letter from Boris and a leaflet from one of the others. Not single road side poster anywhere.
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 18:42
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Leave what?
The UK.

And they are serious. They just don't feel safe should Corbyn, McDonnell & Milnes Labour get elected.
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 18:57
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In my experience its often the case that the more assertion is given to a statement then the more investigation of its validity is required
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 19:17
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Away from the AS issue, I have been up north this week. Lots of friends up there, all lifelong Labour voters are voting for Boris. Mainly to 'Get Brexit Done'. The north could well turn blue tonight.
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 20:22
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.. bet it doesn't stay that way when this is all done..
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 21:03
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Blue win !!
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