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Old 5th Dec 2019, 09:08
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
As a citizen and voter I have a bone in this fight - as, obviously, do you KnC.
Do you really think all these pages of selective pasting from the papers every morning have any effect whatever on PPRuNe's voters?

Perhaps just for once you could use your own words, your own arguments. Or don't you have any?
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 09:26
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-prepares-for-swift-trade-talks-after-boris-johnson-victory-hfdk7q5zl

EU prepares for swift trade talks after Boris Johnson victory


EU leaders will call for a rapid start to negotiations on a post-Brexitfree trade agreement at a summit in Brussels a day after the UK general election.

In a sign that Brussels increasingly believes Boris Johnson will be returned to power, diplomats have drawn up draft summit conclusions calling for the “timely” ratification of the government’s withdrawal agreement.

A leaked draft text prepared for the summit calls on the European Commission to draw up a comprehensive mandate for talks on a future relationship with the UK “immediately after its withdrawal”. This, it adds, should then be “swiftly” adopted by EU leaders. “Negotiations should be organised in a way that makes the best possible use of the limited time available for negotiation and ratification by the end of the transition,” the paper states........
ORAC, what is that ?
Since when British press has been reliable when it comes to Brexit ? What use is it to publish here some wishful thinking gleaned from UK only sources, since every possible Brexit believer is already convinced?

What is striking to this foreigner, is that some people here are deeply involved in ridiculous puny details about the parties, while the real important questions at stake are being forgotten, once again.
Remember, there is a Brexit preparation going on.

What are the possible scenarios (scenarii?)?

Tory majority : will BJ deliver, as his hedge fund billionnaire friends would wish, to evade tax avoidance laws ? Will he once again cave, like he did in late october ? Remember he's not particularly bright, but he's not a complete retard either. He knows what the negotiations for hundreds of deals will look like, and he knows what the negotiating abilities of his team are, and what the position of the UK will be.
He also knows that once negotiations start, the UK will be tied to the EU until they come up with something acceptable by the EU. With the risk of a no-deal at the end of 2020 or whatever extension they will ask for...

No clear tory majority : no brexit will happen, no matter how it is going to not happen...

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Old 5th Dec 2019, 09:29
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KnC; tell an American that, because they are a citizen, they are showing signs of becoming a Socialist and see how far you get......
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 09:30
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Four Brexit MEPs, including Annunziata Mogg, have just quit the Brexit party in order to support the Conservative election campaign.

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Old 5th Dec 2019, 09:33
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Given ORAC's stance as the bastion of defence against the non Boris-worshipping, great unwashed, it seems odd that he/she would wish to include in his/her daily 'Party-piece' such gems as -
"Jo Swinson, and they don’t like it. Alison, 47, from Crewe, said: “I can’t stand the woman. Every time she comes on the TV I want to switch it off. She just wants to go against the people from 2016 and its undemocratic.” Another said “she needs her teeth doing” and a third, “she’s on another planet”....
The depth of political nous demonstrated by these (presumably) avid supporters of the Great Buffoon can hardly be described as confidence inspiring! However, needs must etc. and if you are reduced to seeking support from such pools of wisdom, the outlook must be less than rosy?
One looks forward to today's 'pearls', ever hopeful (but less than optimistic) that a degree of realism will infect the 'deathless prose'.

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Old 5th Dec 2019, 09:53
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The pint, as I stated at the start, was that this was a focus group of undecided voters in marginal seats - and the Cummings campaign of concentrating on the Brexit message is working. As you pint out, they have wildly differing opinions and views - the one the focus group was common was the hammered home message “get Brexit done”.

I would expect the Conservatives to keep hammering that home for the last week.
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 09:56
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Sallyann, quite, I already voted last week. How I voted will have no effect on the pig with rosette being returned, all it will do is support the direction of the previous majority.

What had surprised me is that no one, as far as I know, has jumped on Boris's Oven Ready deal, ie Stuffed. It could have been an open goal to satirists like the Ed Stone.
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 10:07
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Erm, ORAC...is you employed on a commission basis by the Tory press office or has you been promised an inclusion on the New Years honours list for "services rendered " ?
Any more than your posts are sponsored by the Guardian or Komrade Korbyn...?
Pots 'n' kettles...
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 10:50
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Hahahahahahaaaaa....





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Old 5th Dec 2019, 11:01
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We are, I suspect, only too well aware of the Tory's fondness for the repetitive 'soundbite', from 'Strong and Stable' via 'Striving every sinew' to 'one I made earlier' That latter, appositely childish utterance was, fortunately short-lived! We are now exhorted with 'Oven-ready', 'Get Brexit done' to provide support for a system, politically bankrupt, save for its single-minded obsession with the intentions of a (strangely reticent) bunch of ultra-right 'bovver-boys'. What has happened to the regular louche smirk of our erstwhile Leader of the House and the grating snarl of one Mark Francois or even the repetitive sycophancy of Ms Ford? Have their contributions been stifled in case they 'frighten the horses'.
The Tory 'message' is probably best suited to this sort of crass commercialism. However, this is a group who protested that to characterise Leavers as 'ignorant', because they might not have fully understood the implications of EU exit, was shameful. What does this intellectually 'brain dead' approach to the British public indicate of the Tory's view of the electorate's IQ?
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 11:06
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What does this intellectually 'brain dead' approach to the British public indicate of the Tory's view of the electorate's IQ?
That they know how to win elections?
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 11:13
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Ummm - 2017????
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 11:14
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
That they know how to win elections?
Wouldn't it be better if they knew how to manage the dwindling resources of the country, intelligently negotiate with trading blocs, take care of fragile businesses ?
The UK is in deep need of reforms, and when - and if - this Brexit unfortunate affair has to be dealt with, you'll need competent people, not just your preferred party leaders.

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Old 5th Dec 2019, 12:07
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
What has happened to the regular louche smirk of our erstwhile Leader of the House and the grating snarl of one Mark Francois
Francois was on the Peston programme on ITV last night after the 10-30 news. Didn’t watch all of it as it was just too late o get shouted at by Peston for too long, but Francois was trying not to seem smug at what he thinks is an impending election victory, and failing miserably!
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 12:33
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The problem I see with the UK is the system, no Government is ever going to fund say an overhaul of the road infrastructure in a multi multi billion pound rolling improvement scheme lasting say 15 plus years, as they see that as political suicide at the next election and something the party coming in will probably drop, hence we get short term fixes like slapping lipstick on a pig, it might improve its appearance in the short term, but underneath it is still a pig. Look at the farce of the high speed rail link, I mean FFS how wide are two tracks and even that may fail after it has been started..

What you need is a concerted long term plan to upgrade the infrastructure of the country, such as roads. rail, power, waste and water, until you get that, we will remain creaking under a failing system of Victorian infrastructure that simply cannot cope with the modern world.
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 13:11
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Do you really think all these pages of selective pasting from the papers every morning have any effect whatever on PPRuNe's voters?
Oh dear Sallyann, do you ever whinge about knc's continued posting of Guardian propaganda?

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Old 5th Dec 2019, 13:26
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Do you really think all these pages of selective pasting from the papers every morning have any effect whatever on PPRuNe's voters?

Perhaps just for once you could use your own words, your own arguments. Or don't you have any?
To be fair to ORAC, he managed a couple of impassioned paragraphs in a ramble against spending money on cycling, accompanied with third world pictures, including a scene of a lot of orderly parked bikes which was hard to fathom.

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Old 5th Dec 2019, 14:21
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Originally Posted by denachtenmai View Post
Oh dear Sallyann, do you ever whinge about knc's continued posting of Guardian propaganda?
I certainly would if KnC pushed out pages and pages every morning like ORAC.
Sometimes one has to scroll through several screens of copy-and-paste to get to the next post, only to find that it's yet another slab of text copied from yet another paper.

To give KnC his credit it's usually just a link that he posts.
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 14:33
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Wouldn't it be better if they knew how to manage the dwindling resources of the country, intelligently negotiate with trading blocs, take care of fragile businesses ?
The UK is in deep need of reforms, and when - and if - this Brexit unfortunate affair has to be dealt with, you'll need competent people, not just your preferred party leaders.
This coming from someone living in France?! Astonishing. Maybe you should worry about the utter mess in your own country before posting patronising rubbish about ours.
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 14:57
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JLM submission to the EHRC

https://www.scribd.com/document/4383...on-to-the-EHRC

Very disturbing reading
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