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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 07:50
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However, some may also remembers George and how Virgin cattle was most certainly not for George, so obviously you just plonk yourself in Farst and all will be well.....apart from not actually paying for the seat that is......politicians and trains eh ! ........
Given that Dennis Skinner was not too proud a socialist to discreetly travel first class, Iíd be wary of that line of argument.
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 07:57
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
OK, so are you saying as long as something labelled "Brexit" happens in January you'd regard it as being "sorted"?

What actually would happen is that the UK would then head into the transition period when the next round of negotiations start, during which the UK it is still subject to EU rules but has no say in EU business. That period will not be be over until Dec 20 at the earliest....

I doubt it will be fully "sorted" for years - I'm thinking trade and all the other stuff that then needs to be negotiated, funnily enough I don't believe it for one minute when people claim those deals are "oven" or "microwave ready".

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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 07:58
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Looks like ORAC had done a good job (again) this morning of trying to steer debate away from Tory policies...

There are far more important things we should be debating than an ageing MPs travel arrangements.
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 08:47
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There are far more important things we should be debating than an ageing MPs travel arrangements.
There is no "debate" here, just differing points of view.
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 08:47
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Looks like ORAC had done a good job (again) this morning of trying to steer debate away from Tory policies...

There are far more important things we should be debating than an ageing MPs travel arrangements.
There are indeed...here's a few to start with.

More may emerge when Boris finds a gap in his diary to appear with Andrew Neil.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50624056
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 08:51
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
OK, so are you saying as long as something labelled "Brexit" happens in January you'd regard it as being "sorted"?

What actually would happen is that the UK would then head into the transition period when the next round of negotiations start, during which the UK it is still subject to EU rules but has no say in EU business. That period will not be be over until Dec 20 at the earliest....
On the beach told us he doesn't mind what way Brexit is acted, so we can accept his bet/prediction/wish.
This said, it is not sure this part of Brexit will happen in January. When BJ had his deal accepted by Commons, all he had to do is give them a little time to read it and vote the corresponding laws, and then he would have "delivered Brexit" and held his promise.

He decided to withdraw it instead, and went for the election. It is not really sure he is willing to "get Brexit done". He talks about it, but has being doing his utmost to not do it, and he will probably continue.

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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 09:14
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Jeremy Corbyn will divert money earmarked for building roads to cutting commuter rail fares if Labour wins the general election, the party says.
Or to put it another way, Corbyn will use car tax to pay for the rail fares, one does wonder the ratio of Commuters by rail to car users, better they use those funds to repair the roads we already have, when was the last time you ever saw a truck out renewing the white lines, let alone filling in potholes.
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 09:23
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KelvinD; yes but they weren't the original lyrics which is the point I am obviously failing to get across. ah who cares anyway.
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 09:31
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Or to put it another way, Corbyn will use car tax to pay for the rail fares, one does wonder the ratio of Commuters by rail to car users, better they use those funds to repair the roads we already have, when was the last time you ever saw a truck out renewing the white lines, let alone filling in potholes.
Probably before the cuts to Local Gov't funding ........
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 11:02
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Probably before the cuts to Local Gov't funding ........
Which the IFS today reported is 17% since 2010> IFS Report: English local government funding: trends and challenges in 2019 and beyond
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 11:23
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
On the beach told us he doesn't mind what way Brexit is acted, so we can accept his bet/prediction/wish.
This said, it is not sure this part of Brexit will happen in January. When BJ had his deal accepted by Commons, all he had to do is give them a little time to read it and vote the corresponding laws, and then he would have "delivered Brexit" and held his promise.

He decided to withdraw it instead, and went for the election. It is not really sure he is willing to "get Brexit done". He talks about it, but has being doing his utmost to not do it, and he will probably continue.

This is simply not correct. Johnson was calling for a general election before the WA was 'accepted' by the HoC. Having been accepted the HoC then wanted to discuss it, and crucially change it with amendments That is why Johnson withdrew it and for no other reason. Johnson has made it abundantly clear - if a majority Conservative government is returned we will be leaving the EU with his deal on or before 31/1/2020. Contrary to your assertion, he is doing everything to get Brexit done by that date.
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 11:41
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
This is simply not correct. Johnson was calling for a general election before the WA was 'accepted' by the HoC. Having been accepted the HoC then wanted to discuss it, and crucially change it with amendments That is why Johnson withdrew it and for no other reason. Johnson has made it abundantly clear - if a majority Conservative government is returned we will be leaving the EU with his deal on or before 31/1/2020. Contrary to your assertion, he is doing everything to get Brexit done by that date.
That definition of Getting Brexit Done is a bit like saying that the rescue of Titanic was done when the passengers jumped overboard.

As has been made very clear from the start to those who were prepared to listen, the real Brexit begins when the UK has to make trade deals with the EU and the rest of the world.
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 11:45
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
This is simply not correct. Johnson was calling for a general election before the WA was 'accepted' by the HoC. Having been accepted the HoC then wanted to discuss it, and crucially change it with amendments That is why Johnson withdrew it and for no other reason. Johnson has made it abundantly clear - if a majority Conservative government is returned we will be leaving the EU with his deal on or before 31/1/2020. Contrary to your assertion, he is doing everything to get Brexit done by that date.
Yellowtriumph, as the above is just wishful thinking, any other proposition is equally valid, and I'll say he withdrew his deal because he is afraid of taking the plunge, and for no other reason.
As for being so sure you will be leaving on or before 31/1/2020, may I remind you that you (or one of your pals) said this exact same thing about the 31/10/2019 ?

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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 13:22
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Nothing like some helpful advise from the Puppet Master in Chief.

I commend the clearly genuinely heartfelt sentiments of the father............. and also the definitive views of DM Reporter, not that these come as any surprise...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-london-bridge

" As has been made very clear from the start to those who were prepared to listen, the real Brexit begins when the UK has to make trade deals with the EU and the rest of the world "


Feareth not ..there is an SR 71 waiting to whisk them across them Atlantic..... should Boris win that is.
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 18:40
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...maybe you can enlighten us on what Labourís definitive view is then, Krystal? Todayís version, that is.
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 04:37
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 05:22
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...maybe you can enlighten us on what Labour’s definitive view is then, Krystal? Today’s version, that is.
Mea maxima Culpa !( obligatory Latin for ORAC ) what can I say

OK, I am Jeremy Corbyn and you can now claim your 5 roubles. A detailed, and updated by the hour, transcript of the N.E.C meetings will now be PM'd directly to you so you will be the first on JB to know. How's that for some good Socialist inclusivity !

Just out of interest, do you by any chance live in the vicinity of, or have shares in, or even both, Davyhulme ?

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-for-him-right
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 07:19
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No "free" chocolates in the Tory advent calendar then? If he were in the least bit honest with the voter as regards the economic consequences of leaving transition at the end of December 2020 without an EU trade deal then the number of choccys behind each Tory door would equal, probably exceed the Labour one!
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 07:37
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
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No "free" chocolates in the Tory advent calendar then? If he were in the least bit honest with the voter as regards the economic consequences of leaving transition at the end of December 2020 without an EU trade deal then the number of choccys behind each Tory door would equal, probably exceed the Labour one!
General election: For every extra pound in Tory spending, Labour are promising an extra £28

For every £1 of day-to-day extra spending pledged by the Conservatives in their manifesto, Labour are promising an extra £28.


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I don't see much equality of spending here. This was prior to the WASPI and train fare, bicycles giveaway.
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 08:08
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Someone did explain WASPI but if it doesn't strike a chord it is meaningless.
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