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Old 20th Nov 2019, 15:11
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
That’s nonsense: Corbyn would have blocked any and every deal by any Tory leader however closely aligned.
If perchance Labour get in we will see the Conservative party doing exactly the same to them, so no change to the current state of affairs.
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 17:49
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
That’s nonsense: Corbyn would have blocked any and every deal by any Tory leader however closely aligned.
If the Tories didn't make such an arse of it they would have kept the majority they had and it wouldn't have mattered what Corbyn did.
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 19:25
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Originally Posted by OilCan View Post
If the Tories didn't make such an arse of it they would have kept the majority they had and it wouldn't have mattered what Corbyn did.
May's pre-DUP majority wouldn't have gotten her deal through because too many of them would've baulked at the backstop (as indeed they did later).
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 19:49
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My guess is that if they end up with less than a twenty seat majority this will surface again. The ERG will push for a no deal exit and a dozen or so Tories will do the decent thing and make a stand.
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 22:24
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According to The Press Association, carried here by Breakingnews.ie, over 2 million new voter registrations have taken place in the UK since the election was called.

More than two million people in the UK have applied to register to vote since the General Election was announced, according to British Government figures.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/tw...ed-965445.html

Meanwhile, Channel 4 News reports on a campaign to get minorities to register in marginal seats.

https://www.channel4.com/news/operat...o-to-the-polls

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Old 20th Nov 2019, 22:30
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Hardly surprising as many registered early this year at home are now at University and may have a new registration there. There will also be many who have come of age after the last registration closed though they should have been registered before.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 07:17
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Things we never knew about Boris !...until now that is.

Hidden in the shadows it seems has been his overseeing of major infrastructure projects . Now, and here the fabled JB font of all knowledge may come in useful, as I could be wrong, the only two such large scale projects that spring to mind were ( a ) an airport and (b ) a bridge....neither of which actually got built.

On the other hand, we can only imagine the whoops of joy from those whose properties and land was subjected to compulsory purchase orders for the greater good of the nation.!....or the already well over budget and doubtless destined to continue on the same track HS2 vanity project. Cancelling now would, as many have pointed out, be acutely embarrassing for the Gov't due to the expenditure so far.

.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50497382

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Old 21st Nov 2019, 07:27
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My guess is that if they end up with less than a twenty seat majority this will surface again. The ERG will push for a no deal exit and a dozen or so Tories will do the decent thing and make a stand.
All 635 Conservative candidates were required to give an undertaking that they would vote to enact th3 current deal if selected - and all 635 did so.

I can state that, having seen this reported, our association checked with CCHQ and received confirmation that our candidate had provided the required undertaking.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 07:31
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
All 635 Conservative candidates were required to give an undertaking that they would vote to enact th3 current deal if selected - and all 635 did so.

I can state that, having seen this reported, our association checked with CCHQ and received confirmation that our candidate had provided the required undertaking.
The more i learn about the UK version of democracy, the more i think it is a joke and way beyond its sell-by date.
What a farce, members of parliament should only be commited to their constituency and their conscience, not any party line or politics.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 07:54
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
All 635 Conservative candidates were required to give an undertaking that they would vote to enact th3 current deal if selected - and all 635 did so.

I can state that, having seen this reported, our association checked with CCHQ and received confirmation that our candidate had provided the required undertaking.
Lets be honest here ORAC....given said 635 all aspire to be MP's, then it's a shade unlikely they are going to say Boris and his plans / deals are a load of bolleaux now are they ?
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 07:59
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Lets be honest here ORAC....given said 635 all aspire to be MP's, then it's a shade unlikely they are going to say Boris and his plans / deals are a load of bolleaux now are they ?
I must admit I am inclined to agree, especially where the members of the ERG are concerned and one or two others that have been less than honest in their support of their PM over the last three odd years.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 08:04
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Originally Posted by ThorMos View Post
The more i learn about the UK version of democracy, the more i think it is a joke and way beyond its sell-by date.
What a farce, members of parliament should only be commited to their constituency and their conscience, not any party line or politics.
It cannot change while Westminster is still inhabited by the current muppets, so how could the population force a change, given that not one of those MP's has placed that as a future inducement to vote for them, and even if one or two did the rest would just ignore them or vote the idea out.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 08:12
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Time to bring in proportional representation?
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 08:19
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Originally Posted by Bergerie1 View Post
Time to bring in proportional representation?
Again, who would implement that and how would they force that change on the current incumbents of Westminster?

Found this, although the title is misleading:

https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-UK...ntative-voting
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 08:57
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Originally Posted by ThorMos View Post
The more i learn about the UK version of democracy, the more i think it is a joke and way beyond its sell-by date.
What a farce, members of parliament should only be commited to their constituency and their conscience, not any party line or politics.
Gordon Brown tried that with a Government of all the Talents.

Before that the Americans tried it with the losing presidential candidate becoming the Vice.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 09:30
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“...not committed to any party line or politics”? Eh ? :candidates state their party line and politics then we decide whether or not to vote for them. Isn’t that how it works?
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 10:18
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
“...not committed to any party line or politics”? Eh ? :candidates state their party line and politics then we decide whether or not to vote for them. Isn’t that how it works?
not in a democracy, no. What you describe is similar to the chinese system...
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 12:20
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Well it's ermmm out



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Old 21st Nov 2019, 13:08
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
It cannot change while Westminster is still inhabited by the current muppets, so how could the population force a change
People are not obliged to vote Tory or Labour.

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Old 21st Nov 2019, 13:08
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A windfall tax on the oil industry.

Wasn't that done in Venezuela?
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