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Old 19th Nov 2019, 10:35
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Given the dive in newspaper sales over the past few years, I wouldn't overestimate the power of the press barons these days; I suspect, as you alluded to earlier, the even more biased and unobjective world of social media may now be having a greater influence on the election campaign.
Indeed. And you don‘t have to look much further than Jet Blast to find posters being slavishly biased and spreading nonsense in the cause of their political convictions. Although if anything is clear from this and the Brexit thread, it is that most participants are having a blast talking to the mirror.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 10:43
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KnC; I'll be going for Ghost Ship accompanied by salted peanuts and possibly cheese twists.

Plus assorted soft toys to throw at the tv.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 10:48
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Although this piece is in the Guardian, the author is better known for writing for the Mail etc, and as he states always voted Conservative. Which makes it an even more damning indictment of Johnson. It’s not just Boris Johnson’s lying. It’s that the media let him get away with it
I think the UK public look at the USA and see a similar personality getting away with it whilst appearing to provide strong leadership. I think they also look at Russia and see a similar figure doing similar things. I suspect the thought arises that Boris is from a similar mould, albeit on a smaller scale of course, and will provide the UK with decisive leadership and they are prepared to accept he can flexible with his facts as that goes with the territory. They want tangible, forceful leadership. They don't want government by a comrades committee, or by workers panels or collectives which Labour represents.

I think it was Putin who said the days of democracy are coming to an end, reluctantly I find myself agreeing with him. Tonights debate on ITV will be interesting indeed!
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 11:03
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
KnC; I'll be going for Ghost Ship accompanied by salted peanuts and possibly cheese twists.

Plus assorted soft toys to throw at the tv.
Ah, soft toys ......erm, I wouldn't dare because all the soft toys belong to madam and (a ) she gets very upset, trust me hell hath no fury like a cockapoo scorned, when they are used or moved without her consent and (b) throwing them at the tv means..it's playtime for her !..so the tele could easily become collateral damage as they say.


Egg..... and chips, obviously ! and whatever the cheapest plonk on offer is when we go shopping later...

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Old 19th Nov 2019, 11:12
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Boris is from a similar mould, albeit on a smaller scale of course,
Only in the height department. Other than that, I agree.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 11:41
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
I think it was Putin who said the days of democracy are coming to an end, reluctantly I find myself agreeing with him. Tonights debate on ITV will be interesting indeed!
that is some very scary sh*t that you mention...
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 12:03
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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman View Post
that is some very scary sh*t that you mention...
Having a look at Trump, Brexit, the AFD in Germany, 5 star movement,.... Putin must be laughing his head off. He must be thinking that his money was well spent...
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 13:47
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Originally Posted by ThorMos View Post
Having a look at Trump, Brexit, the AFD in Germany, 5 star movement,.... Putin must be laughing his head off. He must be thinking that his money was well spent...
It's just my view of course, but I think what a lot of people in Europe yearn for is a bit of authoritarianism - they don't want wishy washy. But that same kind of governance will stand up to Putin which is not what he wants, so I would dispute your assertion with regards to Putin's thinking. Do you think Corbyn will stand up to him in the ultimate scenario or would he roll over? Perhaps we will get a definitive answer this evening!

You have to ask yourself the big question - what has led to the rise of these right wing views? The answer must surely be a dissatisfaction with the present governance.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 14:54
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
It's just my view of course, but I think what a lot of people in Europe yearn for is a bit of authoritarianism - they don't want wishy washy. But that same kind of governance will stand up to Putin which is not what he wants, so I would dispute your assertion with regards to Putin's thinking. Do you think Corbyn will stand up to him in the ultimate scenario or would he roll over? Perhaps we will get a definitive answer this evening!

You have to ask yourself the big question - what has led to the rise of these right wing views? The answer must surely be a dissatisfaction with the present governance.
Oh man ! ...as you seem blissfully unaware of European history, this has been tried a few times over the centuries ........and ends up very messy as a result. Any particular preference for an authoritarian regime of carnage reprise in mind ?

As for the "big " question, lets start with MSM, although this influence has long been established so lets move on to something called....the internet.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 15:21
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Oh man ! ...as you seem blissfully unaware of European history, this has been tried a few times over the centuries ........and ends up very messy as a result. Any particular preference for an authoritarian regime of carnage reprise in mind ?

As for the "big " question, lets start with MSM, although this influence has long been established so lets move on to something called....the internet.
I'm fully aware of European history, but that does mean people do not repeat it as you yourself state. I'd give you a fuller answer but since, as usual, your reply starts with the usual unpleasant sledging I'll not bother.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 16:30
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https://order-order.com/2019/11/19/b...w-kantar-poll/

Brexit Party Crash to 2% in New KANTAR Poll.

The Tories have surged to an eighteen point lead in Kantar’s latest poll, largely as a result of the Brexit Party crashing down to just 2% – a fall of seven points. The Lib Dems are also down one, contributing to the Tories’ eight-point rise.




Electroral Calculus prediction - Conservative majority of 204 seats.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 17:52
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
It's just my view of course, but I think what a lot of people in Europe yearn for is a bit of authoritarianism - they don't want wishy washy. But that same kind of governance will stand up to Putin which is not what he wants, so I would dispute your assertion with regards to Putin's thinking. Do you think Corbyn will stand up to him in the ultimate scenario or would he roll over? Perhaps we will get a definitive answer this evening!

You have to ask yourself the big question - what has led to the rise of these right wing views? The answer must surely be a dissatisfaction with the present governance.
Hm, shall i just say q.e.d.? It seems that you completely prove my point.
Putins goal is to de-stabilize the west and he is very succesfull. Destroying the 'social glue' that keeps regions, nations and continents working together is just part of the strategy. Look at the UK and what has become of it.
Putin background is KGB and he must have been one of their best...
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 18:25
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JB Bruvvers ! Sisturs ! Comwades !...I commend the plan for de wurkurs of our great nation ! a show of 'ands pleeze for all dem wot is in favour and all dem against...... passed unamimuslee !.....fank you !..........although including the phrase "taking back control " was, given it's proliferation in recent times, possibly not the best choice really.

There may be a few objections to this far sighted plan......

..https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50474345
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 20:58
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For me the ITV debate was inconclusive, but then again did I really expect any different. I certainly think Corbyn was better briefed and prepared and came across as more professional in his approach. But then again Boris’ somewhat shambolic and bombastic manner does not appear to go against him.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 21:01
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Wonder if Johnson’s constant bluster and inability to even try and stick to the agreed timing constraints of the TV debate will be held against him by undecided voters? He came across as arrogant and entitled, and like a schoolboy who’s had a bet on how many times he can say Brexit!

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Old 19th Nov 2019, 21:04
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Not a fan of Corbyn but there was no doubt in my mind that he was the winner. More statesmanlike and measured and far less manic. Was Boris on something?
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 21:07
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Wonder if Johnson’s constant bluster and inability to even try and stick to the agreed timing constraints of the TV debate will be held against him by undecided voters? He came across as arrogant and entitled, and like a schoolboy who’s had a bet on how many times he can say Brexit!
I find it interesting that what you consider to be ‘arrogant and entitled’ I thought came across as ‘shambolic and bombastic’. It really is all about perception isn’t it. Certainly agree with you about Boris’ Brexit bingo, I thought he thoroughly overplayed his hand there.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 21:10
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I thought the debate lightweight and inconclusive. I doubt anyone in the country had their mind changed - which counts as a Boris win.

I did note that the cameras showed the fresnel lens in the right hand side of JC’s glasses that have been rumoured, and that they, and that entire side of the glasses, and his face sagged. Which would seem to support the stories he has a minor stroke/infarction. Which might explain the recent infighting over succession.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 21:15
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Getting a bit desperate when you start casting around for personal,imperfections. I think Orac just confirmed the Corbyn win.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 21:16
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Corbyn win? Poll supports the draw/ Boris win* I suggested.....

*With Boris ahead in the polls, anything but a major faux Pas means a win.

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