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Originally Posted by ATNotts
Given the dive in newspaper sales over the past few years, I wouldn't overestimate the power of the press barons these days; I suspect, as you alluded to earlier, the even more biased and unobjective world of social media may now be having a greater influence on the election campaign.
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax
Although this piece is in the Guardian, the author is better known for writing for the Mail etc, and as he states always voted Conservative. Which makes it an even more damning indictment of Johnson. It’s not just Boris Johnson’s lying. It’s that the media let him get away with it
I think it was Putin who said the days of democracy are coming to an end, reluctantly I find myself agreeing with him. Tonights debate on ITV will be interesting indeed!
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow
KnC; I'll be going for Ghost Ship accompanied by salted peanuts and possibly cheese twists.
Plus assorted soft toys to throw at the tv.
Plus assorted soft toys to throw at the tv.
Egg..... and chips, obviously ! and whatever the cheapest plonk on offer is when we go shopping later...
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Boris is from a similar mould, albeit on a smaller scale of course,
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph
I think it was Putin who said the days of democracy are coming to an end, reluctantly I find myself agreeing with him. Tonights debate on ITV will be interesting indeed!
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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman
that is some very scary sh*t that you mention...
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Originally Posted by ThorMos
Having a look at Trump, Brexit, the AFD in Germany, 5 star movement,.... Putin must be laughing his head off. He must be thinking that his money was well spent...
You have to ask yourself the big question - what has led to the rise of these right wing views? The answer must surely be a dissatisfaction with the present governance.
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph
It's just my view of course, but I think what a lot of people in Europe yearn for is a bit of authoritarianism - they don't want wishy washy. But that same kind of governance will stand up to Putin which is not what he wants, so I would dispute your assertion with regards to Putin's thinking. Do you think Corbyn will stand up to him in the ultimate scenario or would he roll over? Perhaps we will get a definitive answer this evening!
You have to ask yourself the big question - what has led to the rise of these right wing views? The answer must surely be a dissatisfaction with the present governance.
You have to ask yourself the big question - what has led to the rise of these right wing views? The answer must surely be a dissatisfaction with the present governance.
...as you seem blissfully unaware of European history, this has been tried a few times over the centuries ........and ends up very messy as a result. Any particular preference for an authoritarian regime of carnage reprise in mind ?As for the "big " question, lets start with MSM, although this influence has long been established so lets move on to something called....the internet.
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
Oh man ! ...as you seem blissfully unaware of European history, this has been tried a few times over the centuries ........and ends up very messy as a result. Any particular preference for an authoritarian regime of carnage reprise in mind ?
As for the "big " question, lets start with MSM, although this influence has long been established so lets move on to something called....the internet.
...as you seem blissfully unaware of European history, this has been tried a few times over the centuries ........and ends up very messy as a result. Any particular preference for an authoritarian regime of carnage reprise in mind ?As for the "big " question, lets start with MSM, although this influence has long been established so lets move on to something called....the internet.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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https://order-order.com/2019/11/19/b...w-kantar-poll/
Brexit Party Crash to 2% in New KANTAR Poll.
The Tories have surged to an eighteen point lead in Kantar’s latest poll, largely as a result of the Brexit Party crashing down to just 2% – a fall of seven points. The Lib Dems are also down one, contributing to the Tories’ eight-point rise.
Electroral Calculus prediction - Conservative majority of 204 seats.
Brexit Party Crash to 2% in New KANTAR Poll.
The Tories have surged to an eighteen point lead in Kantar’s latest poll, largely as a result of the Brexit Party crashing down to just 2% – a fall of seven points. The Lib Dems are also down one, contributing to the Tories’ eight-point rise.
Electroral Calculus prediction - Conservative majority of 204 seats.
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph
It's just my view of course, but I think what a lot of people in Europe yearn for is a bit of authoritarianism - they don't want wishy washy. But that same kind of governance will stand up to Putin which is not what he wants, so I would dispute your assertion with regards to Putin's thinking. Do you think Corbyn will stand up to him in the ultimate scenario or would he roll over? Perhaps we will get a definitive answer this evening!
You have to ask yourself the big question - what has led to the rise of these right wing views? The answer must surely be a dissatisfaction with the present governance.
You have to ask yourself the big question - what has led to the rise of these right wing views? The answer must surely be a dissatisfaction with the present governance.
Putins goal is to de-stabilize the west and he is very succesfull. Destroying the 'social glue' that keeps regions, nations and continents working together is just part of the strategy. Look at the UK and what has become of it.
Putin background is KGB and he must have been one of their best...
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JB Bruvvers ! Sisturs ! Comwades !...I commend the plan for de wurkurs of our great nation ! a show of 'ands pleeze for all dem wot is in favour and all dem against...... passed unamimuslee !.....fank you !..........although including the phrase "taking back control " was, given it's proliferation in recent times, possibly not the best choice really.
There may be a few objections to this far sighted plan......
..https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50474345
There may be a few objections to this far sighted plan......
..https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50474345
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For me the ITV debate was inconclusive, but then again did I really expect any different. I certainly think Corbyn was better briefed and prepared and came across as more professional in his approach. But then again Boris’ somewhat shambolic and bombastic manner does not appear to go against him.
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Wonder if Johnson’s constant bluster and inability to even try and stick to the agreed timing constraints of the TV debate will be held against him by undecided voters? He came across as arrogant and entitled, and like a schoolboy who’s had a bet on how many times he can say Brexit!
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax
Wonder if Johnson’s constant bluster and inability to even try and stick to the agreed timing constraints of the TV debate will be held against him by undecided voters? He came across as arrogant and entitled, and like a schoolboy who’s had a bet on how many times he can say Brexit!
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I thought the debate lightweight and inconclusive. I doubt anyone in the country had their mind changed - which counts as a Boris win.
I did note that the cameras showed the fresnel lens in the right hand side of JC’s glasses that have been rumoured, and that they, and that entire side of the glasses, and his face sagged. Which would seem to support the stories he has a minor stroke/infarction. Which might explain the recent infighting over succession.
I did note that the cameras showed the fresnel lens in the right hand side of JC’s glasses that have been rumoured, and that they, and that entire side of the glasses, and his face sagged. Which would seem to support the stories he has a minor stroke/infarction. Which might explain the recent infighting over succession.
