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Old 14th Nov 2019, 12:53
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
The only problem with money from the Unions is that it comes with demands.....
In stark contrast with money from the rich to the Tories, given for wholly altruistic reasons?

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Old 14th Nov 2019, 12:57
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In stark contrast with money from the rich to the Tories, given for wholly altruistic reasons?
Nothing to see here until the new year at the earliest, so please move along..

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dar...-tory-funding/
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 12:59
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General Election 2019 to make Britain Great Again

Choice one Will women vote for a bright young woman instead of a dull grey old man and a misogynist almost old man who went to public school but didnt learn anything.

Choice two , will the electorate vote for a man whose ability to be PM has been questioned or a man who has actually demonstrated his inability to be PM over several months
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Choice three -the big red nuke button, who can be trusted with that now that it will send the 'can we launch message to Trump' . A man with past communist sympathies even though the Russians are now mostly right wing or a man who gets flustered talking to pensioners, cannot remember how many children he has and is demonstrably unstable.

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Old 14th Nov 2019, 15:16
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Is it not true that Union money comes from all members regardless of the members' own political views?
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 15:41
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Is it not true that Union money comes from all members regardless of the members' own political views?
I may be out of date but I remember signing consent to a political levy when I was a member of Amicus/Unite.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 15:51
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
I may be out of date but I remember signing consent to a political levy when I was a member of Amicus/Unite.
Since 2016 when the law was changed, you now have to opt in to pay the political levy.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 16:07
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And prior to 2016 I bet opting out was not easy, nor, having opted in did you have a real choice for which party you would support?
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 16:25
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https://assets.publishing.service.go...s-guidance.pdf

Trade unions must comply with the statutory requirements set out in the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 (“the 1992 Act”) as amended by the Trade Union Act 2016 (“the 2016 Act”) in setting up and running such funds and union members have certain rights in relation to these requirements. In particular, no member is obliged to contribute to a union's political fund should they not wish to do so.
It is now 2019.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 18:09
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Listening to the news just now, full of stories of how poorly the NHS is doing; people waiting forever for surgery, a shortfall of 40,000 nurses etc and along comes Hancock to tell us "The NHS is doing extremely well just now". Now there's a man with his finger on the pulse!
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 18:13
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Borice says it's all our own fault. Too many of us getting ill!
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 18:16
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
It is now 2019.
Wiggy, there is voluntary and pressure.

Have you never made a voluntary election when refusal is awkward?

I was once called in as to why I had cancelled a voluntary subscription. I really enjoyed answering the question.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 18:31
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
And prior to 2016 I bet opting out was not easy, nor, having opted in did you have a real choice for which party you would support?
Oh dear.....t'wud appear that, despite being of some ( brief ) but minimal importance as O I/c polling station desks... and pencils on string...... you are unaware , probably on a "need to know " basis...security breaches in mind here..... about what happens next after us minions have plonked our "X " on the candidate of our choice because, and I could be wrong of course, as far as one is aware, you can vote for whom you like at such events,

Which means , again, could be wrong, but, the various unions don't actually have access to you voting slip....

Does this help ?

Under pressure you say ?.......here's a little light music quartet.... although you possibly won't have heard of them before...


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Old 15th Nov 2019, 06:16
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JB Exclusive ! Reforestation of UK revealed for first time !.......glades of money trees to cover every County !......2019 GE proudly sponsored by JCB !

For the confused, which will be several contributors, the above refers to the plans for free broadband, the latest vote attracting statement matched by similar expenditure from the Tory party.....to save further confusion, I will reiterate I am very much in favour of renationalisation of certain sectors.

And now Boris and his latest wheeze.......funny how some towns seem to have been included which didn't actually meet the deprived area criteria,, but, thankfully, were Tory held......

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...eglected-towns

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Old 15th Nov 2019, 07:28
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A couple of things that may just slip out of the Orac news report. Two council seat elections yesterday in Tunbridge Wells and Snap ( Cumbria) Both Lib Dem gains from Tories. The former on a 26% swing!
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 09:16
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
JB Exclusive ! Reforestation of UK revealed for first time !.......glades of money trees to cover every County !......2019 GE proudly sponsored by JCB !

For the confused, which will be several contributors, the above refers to the plans for free broadband, the latest vote attracting statement matched by similar expenditure from the Tory party.....to save further confusion, I will reiterate I am very much in favour of renationalisation of certain sectors.

And now Boris and his latest wheeze.......funny how some towns seem to have been included which didn't actually meet the deprived area criteria,, but, thankfully, were Tory held......

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...eglected-towns
Tories are throwing £5B at broadband infrastructure, not taking it in-house and turning the net into a state controlled mouthpiece....

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Old 15th Nov 2019, 09:58
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It's not unknown in construction for the labour agency to fill in the union forms for the workers and pay their fees for them. The largely foreign workforce in London have no idea they are even in a union never mind contributing to the Labour party. Having spoken at length to many of the polish workers about their time growing up in a communist country I doubt many of them would be happy about it if they were actually consulted.

Meanwhile Corbyn is promising to provide (control) broadband for everyone by....2030!

What next, roll out colour TV by 2025? A VHS recorder in every home by the next election?
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 11:50
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Originally Posted by felixflyer View Post
It's not unknown in construction for the labour agency to fill in the union forms for the workers and pay their fees for them. The largely foreign workforce in London have no idea they are even in a union never mind contributing to the Labour party. Having spoken at length to many of the polish workers about their time growing up in a communist country I doubt many of them would be happy about it if they were actually consulted.

Meanwhile Corbyn is promising to provide (control) broadband for everyone by....2030!

What next, roll out colour TV by 2025? A VHS recorder in every home by the next election?

So...

The “foreign workforce”, largely Polish (?), are employed legally via agencies in unionised working situations and paying union dues, but unaware of this because...? How old are these workers? To have grown up and have had memories and a distaste for totalitarian Poland they would have to be over 40. And they are now doing agency work in construction?

The UK Polish (particularly) and Romanian workforce is not known for being niave and il-informed about those areas of the economy where they come to earn. Most are manifestly not in unionised work.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 12:20
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Most workers regardless of age on large construction projects in the UK are employed through an agency.


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Old 15th Nov 2019, 12:53
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Originally Posted by felixflyer View Post
Most workers regardless of age on large construction projects in the UK are employed through an agency.
Okay. So your point is that some, most or all of the ageny-placed workers are not aware that they are paying union membership fees and would be unhappy if they knew because of legacy anti-totalitarian convictions?
If so, I have to say... really? Surely most workers (most, not all) are pleased to be part of s lobby group that represents them on Ts & Cs, remuneration, safety and workers rights and protections?

As to Poland, was it not the quasi unionised workers of the Gdansk shipyard that played a key role in bringing down the totalitarian regime back then?

I gather you don‘t like Corbyn. Or unions. But the extrapolations made in your post would convince a DDR gymnastics judge to give a straight 10.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 13:11
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My point was the fees, forms and therefore any choice on whether to support the Labour party is done without their knowledge because, based on previous experience, most didn't want anything to do with the union.












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