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Old 18th Oct 2019, 09:47
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Frankly, indyref for the SNP is a bit like the Falklands to the Argentinian government; a welcome distraction from their own shambolic mismanagement
That won't stop Scottish people voting for it.
Just like Brexit was for many voters. Frustration with years of poor government and an urge to try something, anything different.
But next time the Scots have an additional reason to try something different - their annoyance that they were pushed out of the EU when they wanted to stay. Two fingers up to Westminster!
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 10:09
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I see Sturgeon is claiming that, in the event of Independence and Scotland staying/rejoining the EU there will be no hard border or requirement for border checks.

Which, in light of the last two years wrangling over the Irish border, seems somewhat disingenuous and optimistic........

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...ence-1-5022694
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 10:24
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Why?
As I said a day or two ago, if it can be done for NI why not for Scotland?
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 10:29
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It was only done for NI by keeping them in the Customs Union whilst the rest of the UK left. The option of a keeping the rest of the UK in, the backstop, being rejected. I can’t see any possibility that, if Scotland voted for independence and the EU, England would agree to rejoining the Customs Union just to make it easier for them.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 10:44
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
These points were all discussed /argued at great length on here at the time of the first Scottish referendum.

I expect there will be an Indyref2 Hamsterwheel next year.
Plus a RejoinEU-Thread? Gosh, all the popcorn in the world will not be enough...
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 10:54
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
It was only done for NI by keeping them in the Customs Union whilst the rest of the UK left. The option of a keeping the rest of the UK in, the backstop, being rejected. I can’t see any possibility that, if Scotland voted for independence and the EU, England would agree to rejoining the Customs Union just to make it easier for them.
But Scotland wouldn't be voting for "independence and the EU". They will only be voting for independence, since they will already be outside the EU.
Applying to rejoin the EU would only be an aspiration, with customs arrangements to be argued at the time.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 11:02
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As I understand it, there would be little prospect of any Scottish application to join the EU being accepted - on several grounds.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 11:08
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Originally Posted by jindabyne View Post
As I understand it, there would be little prospect of any Scottish application to join the EU being accepted - on several grounds.
Yes that hasn't changed since last time.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 16:29
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Think the EU will let Scotland back in just to stick 2 fingers up at England
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 17:16
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Why?
As I said a day or two ago, if it can be done for NI why not for Scotland?
Indeed, Scotland is far closer to be a nation in it's own right, it was up until ca. 400 years ago. it has it's own legal system and a real national identity. Yest despite this it is being shat on well and truly by the Westminster government, which instead is grovelling and bribing a group of neo-puritans and bigots that really should have been cast adrift into the Irish Republic 100 years ago.

Is it any wonder the Scots are becoming more and more in favour of independence?

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Old 19th Oct 2019, 06:12
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One for Orac,

Com Res: Tory 33, Labour 29, Lib Dem 18. Likely result Tory and Labour neck and neck on around 250-260 seats each. LD 60-70. SNP 50.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 08:34
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Your claim is hard to back, AT. In the centuries since the union, Scotland was at the heart of the Imperial project snd benefitted immensely. Contributed a disproportionate number of military, political and commercial leaders, ...even the odd monarch! Now more lately fire-hosed with money. Is that what you mean by “shat on”?
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 08:39
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EM, as ever ComRes is the outlier.

https://www.markpack.org.uk/155623/v...oll-scorecard/

And even they seem to have moved n the last 24 hours......

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...lling-election
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 08:43
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
EM, as ever ComRes is the outlier.

https://www.markpack.org.uk/155623/v...oll-scorecard/

And even they seem to have moved n the last 24 hours......

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...lling-election
One of the newspaper reviewers on the BBC News Channel pointed out yesterday that these days the results from polls more often than not reflect the political viewpoint of the newspaper / client for whom the poll was conducted.

Strange that. It does however render most of the polls totally discredited.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 09:15
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
One of the newspaper reviewers on the BBC News Channel pointed out yesterday that these days the results from polls more often than not reflect the political viewpoint of the newspaper / client for whom the poll was conducted.

Strange that. It does however render most of the polls totally discredited.
I thought we all knew that.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 11:19
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I thought we all knew that.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 16:07
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Meanwhile, in other political news, well maybe not political as they are a political party in name only and on paper, the woes and travails of UKIP continue to ensure their demise.....which is nice to see and read......and very entertaining as well.

I would like to take this opportunity to remind many on here as to their predictions re UKIP being the future of the nation......



https://www.theguardian.com/politics...richard-braine
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 17:47
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Social psychologist son says that it is really difficult to get an unbiased sample for almost any Poll subject. Getting a predetermined answer is not difficult at all if intentionally done, of course it is even easier just to write a result without any poll.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 18:00
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UKIP being the future of the nation......
Well they did get us to where we are now, for better or worse.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 18:17
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Watching Emily Maitlis on the Newsnight special I do wish the BBC would get rid of her, she is useless as an interviewer, she does exactly what she does on Newsnight in asking questions and not allowing the person to answer the question, she often asks questions that are put simply none factual to destroy the persons position. then cuts them off before they have a chance to answer and show her for what she is.
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