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Old 1st Oct 2019, 13:56
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I realise it is now obligatory to describe leaving the EU as 'crash out' or 'cliff-edge', Control of the language used is a vital tool for influencing public opinion. Josef Goebbels knew the importance of repeating the same messge (whether true or false) until people believed it. (althgh he may have learned that from the mathematician CL Dodgson - "what I tell you three times is true").
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 14:18
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The time is 13.45. Some 5+ hours ago our revered Leader was inveigled out of his bunker to face the 'Today' team, represented by one Mr Robinson. This was a momentous occasion, Johnson having avoided almost every request for comment since his 'coronation' by the favoured few. In a forum thread which has run to over 500 pages, I would have expected at least an acknowledgement of such an occasion but, so far ... nothing, zero, zilch!!! Very puzzling except that I DID listen to the item - and wish that I hadn't. It (it seemed to me) became, quite quickly, a Conservative Party Political Broadcast. Bully for them, if they can get away with it but really ...
The main problem can be laid at the feet of the self-regarding Mr Robinson, who appeared to be so script-bound that even when offered open targets such as Johnson's constant reference to the EU as "our friends" (does one normally 'surrender' to one's friends?) and his (yet again) quoting his time as London Mayor (£40m consultation fees wasted on the 'Garden Bridge'; purchase of secondhand water-cannon which are illegal). While he, Robinson, may see himself as some sort of heir to the departed Welsh 'rotweiler', I'm afraid he falls way short. Still. it gave the shy mr J a chance to further his nonsense, so somebody must be pleased!
What I find even more odd is that the 1 o'clock R4 News completely failed to mention the interview, something which normally would require comment and picking over by the 'usual suspects'. Weird!!!
Just a final thought - Johnson's misuse of 'military' terms (as he described them) is, presumably down to his lack of military experience (and much else) as is the case with his new 'special friend' the Donald.
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 14:26
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Fitter 2 - Slightly coincidental ...
""I shall explain to him what a despicable occupation this is and do all I can to protect him from a similar fate.Politics ruin the character; they develop the worst and meanest qualities by forcing into the front of men's minds their ambition, their vanity, their competitive spirit and their passion for influence and cheap popularity. The cause they are serving is pushed into the background. To many of them politics are only a means to eliminate competitors, to conduct vulgar intrigues and to attain personal power"
Now who do you suppose offered that advice to their offspring and, probably more importantly, how relevant is it in today's political climate? (some 80 years later)
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 14:33
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Fitter 2 - Slightly coincidental ...
""I shall explain to him what a despicable occupation this is and do all I can to protect him from a similar fate.Politics ruin the character; they develop the worst and meanest qualities by forcing into the front of men's minds their ambition, their vanity, their competitive spirit and their passion for influence and cheap popularity. The cause they are serving is pushed into the background. To many of them politics are only a means to eliminate competitors, to conduct vulgar intrigues and to attain personal power"
Now who do you suppose offered that advice to their offspring and, probably more importantly, how relevant is it in today's political climate? (some 80 years later)
Robert Mugabe?
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 14:40
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YT - No, but could well have been applicable!
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 14:46
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YT - No, but could well have been applicable!
Jacob Zuma?
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 15:54
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Meanwhile at the Tory Party conference..(with thanks to the Guardian's live politics blog)

Priti Patel's speech

Priti Patel, the home secretary, is speaking now.

She starts by saying the Conservatives have restored their reputation as the party of law and order.


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Tory MP Geoffrey Clifton-Brown asked to leave conference after 'unacceptable' incident

The Conservatives have said that Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown has been asked to leave the conference after the incident earlier. (See 2.58pm.) The party said he had tried to take someone into the international lounge who did not have the relevant pass. That person was stopped by a member of staff. Clifton-Brown then “remonstrated” with the staff member, leading to security being called.

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Old 1st Oct 2019, 16:27
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... ... ... and??!
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 16:41
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YT -'fraid not but I see your drift!
Quote was prompted by Fitter 2
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 16:45
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Want a laugh?, set the recorder for Wednesdays PMQ's............. what could possibly go wrong.

Diane Abbott to stand in for Jeremy Corbyn at PMQs

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49897949
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 16:47
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
YT -'fraid not but I see your drift!
Quote was prompted by Fitter 2
George Orwell or Winston Churchill
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 16:51
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NutLoose, thanks for that. Something that will be well worth watching!! (Especially if numbers get involved.)
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 17:11
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
YT -'fraid not but I see your drift!
Quote was prompted by Fitter 2
Ali Khamenei. Am I getting close?
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 17:21
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Meanwhile at the Tory Party conference..(with thanks to the Guardian's live politics blog)



I hope you're not suggesting the Tory party are the only one's to eject people from their conference. Remember Walter Wolfgang? 82 year old jewish Nazi regime refugee ejected live on telly. RIP.

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail...tage/679783178

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Old 1st Oct 2019, 17:26
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Meanwhile at the Tory Party conference..(with thanks to the Guardian's live politics blog)



Further to this premature departure, may I add the BBC's item.......I would commend some of the comments in the bit at the bottom "341 people are talking about this "...albeit some on here may not entirely appreciate their sentiments.

Shame ORAC isn't available to give us a live report really....or conduct a poll ( sorry ORAC, too tempting ) about whether he should have been asked to leave.

Anyway, the good news is that he should have left just in time for the gridlock on the M60 / M6 or been crammed into a filled to capacity train.....hopefully.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-49898209
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 17:54
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Bismarck quote

CJ:

Intelligent and perceptive chap, Otto. Pity his boss sacked him for giving good advice - history might have been very different.
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 18:23
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Talk about brass neck!
In her speech today, Priti Patel basically declared war on immigrants, stating that "this daughter of immigrants needs no lectures from the North London metropolitan elite".
Have a guess where she was born... Islington!
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 19:00
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Send her home!
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 21:29
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Oil Can and YT - Sorry chaps - The answer will be on my NEXT in put so keep on guessing, if you wish1
Fitter 2 - Otto??? - I think we are using different sources . Mine is Rudolph Semmler, small hardback published in '47 and a fascinating read. It is a diary and the writer was appointed as Press Officer to ... see my next.
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 22:52
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So ... it came from that arch propagandist - Josef Goebbels. Semmler, as I said, was his Press Officer and kept his diary, writing from the perspective of a committed Party member and admirer of his boss. Goebbels's quote either indicates a remarkable depth of hypocrisy or a self-conviction that he was not a politician. Either way, the sentiments expressed appear, to me, to be a remarkably accurate summing up of a great many of the breed.
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