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Old 1st Oct 2019, 11:35
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A T Notts - what Corbyn may or may not be made to understand is irrelevant. Arithmetic will not allow that proposition to be tested!! Back to that FIRST lesson of Politics!.
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 11:36
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
.. the lesser of the two (pretty big) evils - no deal Brexit or Corbyn.
I suspect that if you want to see the markets crash really badly, go for that second option.
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 11:41
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
I suspect that if you want to see the markets crash really badly, go for that second option.
I suspect if you want to see the markets crash really badly, choose either option. In either case the markets would rebound over time, how much time heaven knows, but there's more to life than markets - unless of course you rely on them as your primary source of wealth. However, the Corbyn caretaker scenario would be strictly temporary - the no deal Brexit option somewhat more long term, if not open ended.
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 11:45
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
A T Notts - what Corbyn may or may not be made to understand is irrelevant. Arithmetic will not allow that proposition to be tested!! Back to that FIRST lesson of Politics!.
And then it all comes back to MPs asking themselves a fundamental question - what would you dislike least? A few months of Corbyn or an open ended period of potential economic and social suffering due to a no deal Brexit. You'd think, from the efforts they've made to stop no deal, they'd choose short term Corbyn as a least worst option. That is if they weren't so tribal.

Make no mistake, I dislike the prospect of a Corbyn government, but fear a no deal crash out of the EU somewhat more.
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 12:42
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A T N - if they weren't so tribal.
If only water wasn't so wet!!
There are, in most Parties, SOME members who manage to think and act in ways which they have thought through and reached HONEST, commonsense conclusions. They are, demonstrably, in the minority. There is, generally, a commonality of characteristics, background, experience outside politics etc. The 'Party Line' slaves are generally those who see politics as a career, come to it from the (nowadays) essentiial PPE degrees and with nothing to offer except blind obedience to the Whips and the ability to close their minds to anything beyond their Leader's wishes. It is, rightly, described as 'Dog Whistle Politics' and has, unfortunately taken over both major Parties. Once such a system is established, it becomes impossible for those outside the clique to influence policy and we appear to have one last chance to stop it. I have no optimism in this. The will is certainly there eloquently expressed by such as Rory Stewart, Dominic Grieve, Liz Saville-Roberts, Sarah Wollaston and some 30 or 40 others but the rah-rah bench blockers (on all sides) see such a move as a threat to their 'entitled' positions' ... they will not go quietly!
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 13:01
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Pontius I think you meant prescribed.
No I didn't.
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 13:56
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I realise it is now obligatory to describe leaving the EU as 'crash out' or 'cliff-edge', Control of the language used is a vital tool for influencing public opinion. Josef Goebbels knew the importance of repeating the same messge (whether true or false) until people believed it. (althgh he may have learned that from the mathematician CL Dodgson - "what I tell you three times is true").
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 14:18
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The time is 13.45. Some 5+ hours ago our revered Leader was inveigled out of his bunker to face the 'Today' team, represented by one Mr Robinson. This was a momentous occasion, Johnson having avoided almost every request for comment since his 'coronation' by the favoured few. In a forum thread which has run to over 500 pages, I would have expected at least an acknowledgement of such an occasion but, so far ... nothing, zero, zilch!!! Very puzzling except that I DID listen to the item - and wish that I hadn't. It (it seemed to me) became, quite quickly, a Conservative Party Political Broadcast. Bully for them, if they can get away with it but really ...
The main problem can be laid at the feet of the self-regarding Mr Robinson, who appeared to be so script-bound that even when offered open targets such as Johnson's constant reference to the EU as "our friends" (does one normally 'surrender' to one's friends?) and his (yet again) quoting his time as London Mayor (£40m consultation fees wasted on the 'Garden Bridge'; purchase of secondhand water-cannon which are illegal). While he, Robinson, may see himself as some sort of heir to the departed Welsh 'rotweiler', I'm afraid he falls way short. Still. it gave the shy mr J a chance to further his nonsense, so somebody must be pleased!
What I find even more odd is that the 1 o'clock R4 News completely failed to mention the interview, something which normally would require comment and picking over by the 'usual suspects'. Weird!!!
Just a final thought - Johnson's misuse of 'military' terms (as he described them) is, presumably down to his lack of military experience (and much else) as is the case with his new 'special friend' the Donald.
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 14:26
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Fitter 2 - Slightly coincidental ...
""I shall explain to him what a despicable occupation this is and do all I can to protect him from a similar fate.Politics ruin the character; they develop the worst and meanest qualities by forcing into the front of men's minds their ambition, their vanity, their competitive spirit and their passion for influence and cheap popularity. The cause they are serving is pushed into the background. To many of them politics are only a means to eliminate competitors, to conduct vulgar intrigues and to attain personal power"
Now who do you suppose offered that advice to their offspring and, probably more importantly, how relevant is it in today's political climate? (some 80 years later)
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 14:33
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Fitter 2 - Slightly coincidental ...
""I shall explain to him what a despicable occupation this is and do all I can to protect him from a similar fate.Politics ruin the character; they develop the worst and meanest qualities by forcing into the front of men's minds their ambition, their vanity, their competitive spirit and their passion for influence and cheap popularity. The cause they are serving is pushed into the background. To many of them politics are only a means to eliminate competitors, to conduct vulgar intrigues and to attain personal power"
Now who do you suppose offered that advice to their offspring and, probably more importantly, how relevant is it in today's political climate? (some 80 years later)
Robert Mugabe?
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 14:40
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YT - No, but could well have been applicable!
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 14:46
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
YT - No, but could well have been applicable!
Jacob Zuma?
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 15:54
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Meanwhile at the Tory Party conference..(with thanks to the Guardian's live politics blog)

Priti Patel's speech

Priti Patel, the home secretary, is speaking now.

She starts by saying the Conservatives have restored their reputation as the party of law and order.


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Tory MP Geoffrey Clifton-Brown asked to leave conference after 'unacceptable' incident

The Conservatives have said that Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown has been asked to leave the conference after the incident earlier. (See 2.58pm.) The party said he had tried to take someone into the international lounge who did not have the relevant pass. That person was stopped by a member of staff. Clifton-Brown then “remonstrated” with the staff member, leading to security being called.

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Old 1st Oct 2019, 16:27
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... ... ... and??!
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 16:41
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YT -'fraid not but I see your drift!
Quote was prompted by Fitter 2
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 16:45
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Want a laugh?, set the recorder for Wednesdays PMQ's............. what could possibly go wrong.

Diane Abbott to stand in for Jeremy Corbyn at PMQs

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49897949
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 16:47
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
YT -'fraid not but I see your drift!
Quote was prompted by Fitter 2
George Orwell or Winston Churchill
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 16:51
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NutLoose, thanks for that. Something that will be well worth watching!! (Especially if numbers get involved.)
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 17:11
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
YT -'fraid not but I see your drift!
Quote was prompted by Fitter 2
Ali Khamenei. Am I getting close?
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 17:21
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Meanwhile at the Tory Party conference..(with thanks to the Guardian's live politics blog)



I hope you're not suggesting the Tory party are the only one's to eject people from their conference. Remember Walter Wolfgang? 82 year old jewish Nazi regime refugee ejected live on telly. RIP.

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail...tage/679783178

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