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Old 19th Sep 2019, 17:57
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Considering the disaster looming ahead, it is difficult to understand why the Brithish are not establishing an 'union sacrée' to avert the catastrophe of a no-deal exit.
Given the 'talents' of your present PM, anybody can take the post, with a clear mandate to sign the deal then leave, preferably after the 31st of December, so the tax evasion measures can be implemented.
Time to stop bickering on parties, elections, etc. Unite, quick, decide and act.
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 19:59
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Whose fault will that be, this time ?

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Old 19th Sep 2019, 20:18
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Given the outrage some have expressed over the crowd behaviour in Luxembourg I wonder if we can do a "compare and contrast" with this...

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Old 19th Sep 2019, 20:20
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
I drove through there earlier this year. It's the tax-free province of Belgium, isn't it? (And we did drive past the old Radio Luxembourg transmitters once!)
Nope
The province de Luxembourg is a province of Belgium, yes. Belgium is a member-state of the EU and they have a king.

Whereas the Grand Duché du Luxembourg ( Lëtzebuerg ), is another independent member-state of the EU, not to be confused with Belgium.They have a Grand-Duke.
And BTW they also have a Prime Minister named Xavier Bettel ;-)







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Old 19th Sep 2019, 20:33
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Given the outrage some have expressed over the crowd behaviour in Luxembourg I wonder if we can do a "compare and contrast" with this...
Those women on the video displayed much courage and dignity. Definitely not the same calibre...
And this time the mob wan't behind bars.

If this is the image of the average British leavers, then everybody will be better off with them relegated in their island...



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Old 19th Sep 2019, 22:08
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Nope
The province de Luxembourg is a province of Belgium, yes. Belgium is a member-state of the EU and they have a king.

Whereas the Grand Duché du Luxembourg ( Lëtzebuerg ), is another independent member-state of the EU, not to be confused with Belgium.They have a Grand-Duke.
And BTW they also have a Prime Minister named Xavier Bettel ;-)
Ah, yes. That wee place that you drive through between Belgium and Germany where you stop for cheap petrol? (With the tax breaks 'funded' by the UK's net contributions to the EU, where Luxemsomethingorother is a net recipient?)

We found the German side the border to be really beautiful. With better drivers.
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 22:13
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The British, indeed English need to leave the EU. I've said this before. They need to realise why it's a mistake.
Once Britain leaves the mistake will be evident. So there will be a rowback.

Britain will be like Norway, pointlessly out of the EU. But basically vaguely a member to the point where it hardly matters.

It's all about optics.

If anyone thinks Britain can separate itself from the EU, they are delusional. Farage anyone?

Leaving the EU is a historic mistake. That's actually blatantly a mistake.

Britain out of the EU means Britain no longer has a say or influence in Europe. How far back do we have to go to find that England. I say England specially where England has influenced Europe often in a positive way for many years.

In any case it's all irrelevant because it's clear it's evident that the exit deal is the May deal with the absolute betrayal of the DUP.

Which is exactly what everyone wants except the said DUP.

Anyone who thinks differently is rather naive. I've been saying this all along. Read my previous posts.



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Old 20th Sep 2019, 05:01
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The chances of an electoral pact between Labour, Greens and the LibDems seems to be receding.........

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...d-scrap-brexit

Lib Dems are like 'the Taliban' over bid to scrap Brexit, says Emily Thornberry

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/br...-brexit-628672

Brexit: Caroline Lucas says Lib Dem plan to revoke Article 50 without a referendum is 'dangerous and arrogant'

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Old 20th Sep 2019, 05:47
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Ah, yes. That wee place that you drive through between Belgium and Germany where you stop for cheap petrol? (With the tax breaks 'funded' by the UK's net contributions to the EU, where Luxemsomethingorother is a net recipient?)
Noel, Noel !
Really, really can't you hold your tongue ?
Just a while ago you were incapable of telling Belgium from Luxembourg, but now you *know* they are taking the UK's money ;-)
One moment geographically challenged, then suddenly an instant expert in EU finances...
But no qualms about taking advantage of EU's cheap petrol...

Definitely not the type of citizen the EU needs.
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 07:13
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There is much criticism of the LibDums' decision that if they end up in power they would revoke Article 50.

However, I feel that they are perfectly within their rights to have that policy. They will not be damaging British democracy by doing so even if it is seen as going against the result of the referendum, as the LibDums winning an election would be such an 'earthquake' in British politics that it would very justifiably be seen as such a huge U-turn by the British voting public that their decision to revoke Article 50 would be reasonable.

In taking on this policy the LibDums have made themselves very clearly the only party for remainers. So many of them had become the Remoaners because they had no party to represent them. Now they clearly have, so it would be so nice to have them return to normal democratic politics rather than the 'sabotage' politics that they have been involved in so far.

But let's look at it practically. How long have the LibDums got to be able to enact their new policy? They need to win an election before 31 October and their leader voted against the opportunity to do that.

So the policy is good, just impractical. But it makes good headlines.

However, I do see that the LibDums will be in the lead of a huge earthquake in British Opposition politics at the next election. Recent performances by Swinson have put her head and shoulders above Corbyn.

But it would not surprise me at all if the Brexit Party also end up with a significant presence on Opposition benches: All those previously Labour-voting leave voters in the north of England, the East, the Midlands, the West Country and Wales have no other party to vote for. And the Brexit Party will fill that gap. The Labour Party is most likely to end up as the London Party.
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 07:59
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
There is much criticism of the LibDums' decision that if they end up in power they would revoke Article 50.

However, I feel that they are perfectly within their rights to have that policy. They will not be damaging British democracy by doing so even if it is seen as going against the result of the referendum, as the LibDums winning an election would be such an 'earthquake' in British politics that it would very justifiably be seen as such a huge U-turn by the British voting public that their decision to revoke Article 50 would be reasonable.
..... But it would not surprise me at all if the Brexit Party also end up with a significant presence on Opposition benches
Polarisation has been the name of the game since 2016. This election could be a one time vote option. An extension after 31 October is still possible. An election after that is likely anyway. The BREXIT Party could/will split the Leave vote.
That leaves everything to the floating voters, not the hard line Remains or Leavers, they are static. Jo. Swinson could be the PM of a Not-so-Lib-Dum Party. Vote LibDems and the EU debate will go away for the next 30 years. And it will. Any other result and it drags on for the next 30.

Just an aftershock of the previous earthquake. A mandate to revoke Art 50.

Tory Party - not sure what you get (if we go past 31 October)
Brexit Party - will live upto their name if they can
Labour - very clear they don't know what you will get
LibDems - Revoke and Remain

Put your X where you want. There have not been such 50/50 options for years. Simples!


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Old 20th Sep 2019, 08:01
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Brexit: Caroline Lucas says Lib Dem plan to revoke Article 50 without a referendum is 'dangerous and arrogant'
That's turned out to work well hasn't it?
Chestfield (Canterbury) result:

CON: 46.0% (-6.5)
LDEM: 35.5% (+19.0)
LAB: 8.8% (-6.8)
IND: 5.3% (+5.3)
GRN: 4.3% (-10.9)

Conservative HOLD.



Two thirds of the Green vote coming to us won't be a big deal in a lot of places, but there will be some where it's very valuable.
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 09:01
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
That's turned out to work well hasn't it?
Chestfield (Canterbury) result:

CON: 46.0% (-6.5)
LDEM: 35.5% (+19.0)
LAB: 8.8% (-6.8)
IND: 5.3% (+5.3)
GRN: 4.3% (-10.9)

Conservative HOLD.
Two thirds of the Green vote coming to us won't be a big deal in a lot of places, but there will be some where it's very valuable.
Campaign on 'Stop Brexit Today, save the planet tomorrow - vote LibDem because we are also green'

Vote for the Country not a Party. The last chance to stop Brexit. If Jo Swinson goes after Nigel Farage the Leave vote will split. Polar politics are the order of the day.
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 10:03
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The only Brexit Party achievement so far (aside from some pointless rudeness in Brussels) has been getting an arch-remainer Lib-Dem elected who wouldn’t have been otherwise.
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 10:19
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
The only Brexit Party achievement so far (aside from some pointless rudeness in Brussels) has been getting an arch-remainer Lib-Dem elected who wouldn’t have been otherwise.
I'm sure Brexit Party MEPs have been well paid whilst busy doing nothing....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9112696.html
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 10:51
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
I'm sure Brexit Party MEPs have been well paid whilst busy doing nothing....
No surprise.
According to the Brexit people, their main goal with adhering was take advantage of Europe's money. And their main complaint is they didn't get enough, and are even "net contributors".

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Old 20th Sep 2019, 12:05
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Their main complaint is that there are still British MEPs full stop. But their practical effect may well be to get remainers elected. Or Labour who, unbelievably, still don’t even know.
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 13:25
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Their main complaint is that there are still British MEPs full stop. [...]Or Labour who, unbelievably, still don’t even know.
There are because you asked to stay.
Viewed from outside, nobody does even know what they want in Britain ;-)
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 14:44
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
There are because you asked to stay.
Viewed from outside, nobody does even know what they want in Britain ;-)

Viewed from inside, nobody in Britain knows what they want either.
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 15:05
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
No surprise.
According to the Brexit people, their main goal with adhering was take advantage of Europe's money. And their main complaint is they didn't get enough, and are even "net contributors".
MEP's wages are set, and paid by the country that sends them there. So the amount UK MEP's receive is determined by the UK Government and paid by the UK taxpayer.

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