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Old 7th Sep 2019, 16:14
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Originally Posted by eko4me View Post
Dublin, where he enters the Common Travel Area . That will not be affected by Brexit.
That's asking the Irish to check all incomers to Dublin. How are they supposed to know his final destination intentions?
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 16:21
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That's asking the Irish to check all incomers to Dublin. How are they supposed to know his final destination intentions?
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/e...uk.html#l8bbb4

Border Control and the Common Travel Area

There are no passport controls in operation for Irish and UK citizens travelling between the 2 countries. You do not need to have a passport to enter the other country. However, all air and sea carriers require some form of identification and some regard a passport as the only valid identification. Immigration authorities may also require you to have valid official photo-identification which shows your nationality. As you are being asked to prove that you are an Irish or UK citizen who is entitled to avail of the Common Travel Area arrangements, it is advisable to travel with your passport.

The Common Travel Area also involves some co-operation on matters relating to immigration issues. A third country national, for example, may be refused permission to enter Ireland if they intend to travel onwards to the UK and they would not qualify for admission to the UK under the Aliens (Amendment) Order 1975. Irish immigration officers have the power to carry out checks on people arriving in the State from the UK and to refuse them entry to the State on the same grounds as apply to people arriving from outside the Common Travel Area. These checks are carried out selectively.

In December 2011, the Irish and UK governments agreed measures to secure the external Common Travel Area border. This includes exchanging biographic and biometric visa data and co-operating on information about failed asylum seekers. There is a joint UK-Ireland Common Travel Area Forum which implements these measures.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 16:45
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From what I remember about travelling across to Belfast from Stranraer on the Seacat, you needed to have a means of ID, like a driving licence, just to get from the UK mainland to NI, anyway. This was a fair time ago, and may have been related to The Troubles, but as well as ID checks there were also random bag searches.

If these checks have stopped in recent years then it doesn't seem a big deal to reinstate them, as I can't remember anyone being fussed by them back then. Quite a few of our friends used to go shopping in Belfast, using the cheap day return ticket on the Seacat, just because Belfast was the nearest decent shopping centre for that part of the world.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 17:43
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Brexit is supposed to be about taking back control.

it does seem strange that we should be relying on the Irish government to decide who will pass through their territory into the UK.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 18:00
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I do not think anyone thinks that taking back control from EU citizens is the issue, I think the issue maybe with those from further afield with certain sectors of the public. Anyway its my birthday,and I have just caught the two moles playing havoc with our garden, dispatched some Magpies which have annoyed our Swallows / songbirds this summer, and learnt that Boris may have to go to jail !!, so apart from Mr Mac being in China unexpectedly a very good day( she is back Sunday)
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 18:33
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Brexit is supposed to be about taking back control.
And parliament has now done just that, despite the fact that we haven't even left yet.

But the #brexshitters still aren't happy!
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 18:45
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The pain and agony of BREXIT are here to stay for at least another year. It will dominate the the coming general election, with promises of another referendum. The platform for that being an electorate better informed of its dire economic consequences and the threat to the Union, since the first referendum. I bet our politicians are burning he midnight oil working on their mendacious election manifestos.

I expect soon we shall be speculating the result of the general election on this thread rather than BREXIT.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 18:46
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/e...uk.html#l8bbb4Border Control and the Common Travel Area

A third country national, for example, may be refused permission to enter Ireland if they intend to travel onwards to the UK and they would not qualify for admission to the UK .
I agree, that is the situation as current and applies to all entry points to the UK. It will be relatively easy to implement on the channel access points because the final destination is obvious.

But, how does the Airline/carrier or the Irish immigration authorities determine the final destination and on what basis could he be refused entry?

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Old 7th Sep 2019, 19:10
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Originally Posted by Mr Mac View Post
I do not think anyone thinks that taking back control from EU citizens is the issue, I think the issue maybe with those from further afield with certain sectors of the public.
And yet they are the ones we have always had control over! I despair...
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 19:30
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Originally Posted by OilCan View Post
But, how does the Airline/carrier or the Irish immigration authorities determine the final destination and on what basis could he be refused entry?
Irish Immigration can ask "Do you intend travelling to UK", someone says "No", then it is "Thank you, Welcome to Ireland".
Unless someone is with Interpol lookout list or infor shared that they are a security risk nothing further needs to be done.

London may think lets put more Immigration checks along the border, that will not last long as with 200 border crossing points they are easily circumvented.

Course Immigration checks on everybody travelling from Island of Ireland will have DUP screaming, but hey that is their problem. No doubt they will suggest people wear badges on their clothing.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 20:06
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From what I have seen, watching those otherwise boring programmes available on Freeview, Irish immigration seem to do a good job. They will ask a traveller where he/she is going. Should they say "Dublin", they will usually follow up with a request for an address in Dublin, reason for travelling and proof of financial wherewithal. And those they don't believe soon find themselves on the next flight/ferry back to whence they came.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 20:42
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Amber Rudd has resigned from the Cabinet and surrendered the Conservative party whip.


To have have been expected - and shows the folly in having kept her in the Cabinet after his reshuffle - and the futility in offering any of those who voted against the 3line whip and vote of confidence a way back.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 20:42
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
From what I have seen, watching those otherwise boring programmes available on Freeview, Irish immigration seem to do a good job. They will ask a traveller where he/she is going. Should they say "Dublin", they will usually follow up with a request for an address in Dublin, reason for travelling and proof of financial wherewithal. And those they don't believe soon find themselves on the next flight/ferry back to whence they came.
This is pre Brexit, spent last week in Ireland, lots of anger about way UK is basically holding everybody hostage to their complete inability to do anything. 3 1/4 years after a vote UK still doesn't know what it is doing. There was lots of joy about way UK screwing itself up on TV with nobody knowing what next step is.

In a pub outside Dublin and one old guy as was unfolding on sky just said "It's like Big brother, Love Island and all that crap rolled into one, comedy gold".

Ireland knows it will get screwed but again the comments were "brits being doing it for 800 years, why stop now, they tried to starve us 200 years ago, we have outlasted them before and will do it again".

US VP Pence visited last week and he openly talked about visiting when younger, cutting turf and serving in his relatives pub. He was on message in one way re Brexit but seemingly also made it clear that any damage to Good Friday Agreement will not be allowed to happen.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 20:46
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Isn't that quaint? A US VP promising to interfere in a European problem!
Re Amber Rudd; is it time to put up the signs "Will the last member of the Conservative Party please switch off the lights"?
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 20:47
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At this rate will there be ANY Conservative MPs left by Christmas?
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 20:53
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
From what I have seen, watching those otherwise boring programmes available on Freeview, Irish immigration seem to do a good job. They will ask a traveller where he/she is going. Should they say "Dublin", they will usually follow up with a request for an address in Dublin, reason for travelling and proof of financial wherewithal. And those they don't believe soon find themselves on the next flight/ferry back to whence they came.
I wouldn't suggest Irish Immigration don't do a good job, but it's not rocket science to pre-book a hotel and say you're on holiday.

I'm not familiar with the arrangements at Dublin but even now I would expect there are EU and None EU channels each of which attract a degree of random checks. Post BREXIT I struggle to see why they would change, it's our situation that is different, not theirs.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 21:21
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Another one leaves the sinking ship, Amber Rudd quits The Cabinet and the party.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 21:30
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Sunday Times reporting that Angela Smith (ex-Labour) has joined the Lib Dem’s.

Best she’s pissed off she has been so upstaged by Amber......

Wiki already updated!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela...re_politician)
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 21:33
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/l...tsar-hlrwb66z5

Labour MP John Mann quits to become government anti-semitism tsar

The Labour Party was plunged into civil war again this evening as a veteran MP revealed he is quitting the Commons to take up a full-time role as the government’s anti-semitism tsar.

John Mann told The Sunday Times he was standing down after 18 years as a Labour MP and said Jeremy Corbyn was unfit to be prime minister for his mishandling of the anti-semitism crisis that has engulfed the party.

His decision came as Diana Johnson became the first victim of Labour’s new trigger ballot process. After 14 years’ service as MP for Hull North, she will now face a battle to be reselected.

With Labour and the Scottish National Party (SNP) expected to block a general election tomorrow, Mann’s decision to quit raises the prospect of an early by-election in his marginal seat of Bassetlaw, in Nottinghamshire.......


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Old 7th Sep 2019, 22:08
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Not quite sure how Mann leaving plunges Labour into civil war, as he has been on the fringes for ages, especially in relation to Corbyn. Which isn’t the same as saying that his views on Corbyn are especially wide of the mark.
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