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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 11:48
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
If the rebels get their way this week, and Johnson looks for a general election, but that is rejected by the commons that has to give 2/3 majority (460-odd supporters) for Johnson to get his election, then the government has to, by law, ask for an extension until, as far as we know 31.01.20. Johnson refuses to ask for said extension. Where do we / they go from here?
Amongst other things, no doubt someone will ask the CJEU to deem that the parliamentary decision is sufficient, and the lack of a piece of paper with Johnson's signature on it doesn't matter.

Plus someone will try to send him to prison for all sorts of things, but that'll take longer.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 13:03
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Only to highlight that the economic risks of Brexit (which you’ve commented on at length-and I agree with many of your points) are far less than the financial carnage if Labour gets in; one has to look to Venezuela or Cuba to see any policies which come close.
To my mind, a far worse case would be both - Brexit followed be a Labour government. Hopefully that can be staved off until the present Corbyn clique have departed.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 13:23
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I didn’t intend to conflate the two. If a Corbyn government, caretaker or otherwise, got to No.10, redistribution and confiscation would be prioritised. He couldn’t care less whether we remained or left the EU.

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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 14:44
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Surely this Countries electorate are not so stupid as to put Corbyn into No10. Are they!
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 14:47
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Well after voting for Brexit, anything is possible.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 14:49
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Originally Posted by Echo Romeo View Post
Surely this Countries electorate are not so stupid as to put Corbyn into No10. Are they!
Remember. Winston Churchill Quotes. The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. ...
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 16:16
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Returning to the matter of Royal Consent. Robert Craig has written a new piece, published by the LSE, referencing the bill to be raised today.

Basic conclusion - it requires Royal Consent, which the government can refuse. If the Speaker tries to push it through without such consent, then the PM can refuse to obey it as unconstitutional - and would win in court. If necessary, Royal Assent counts be refused.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/...ueens-consent/
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 16:19
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Phillip Lee defects to the LD's . Tory majority -1.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 16:27
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Originally Posted by Echo Romeo View Post
Surely this Countries electorate are not so stupid as to put Corbyn into No10. Are they!
Depends. Maybe if they are stupid enough not to know the difference between "countries" and "country's" they may be.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 16:47
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Phillip Lee defects to the LD's . Tory majority -1.
It's all so simple! Published by Guido on Twitter.

The chair of the Liberal Democrat LGBT wing has resigned from the party following Phillip Lee’s defection to them. “I thought we had a soul and principles.”

Read her full statement here:

“I’m feeling devastated.

The powers that be have let Philip Lee in.

A homophobe, a xenophobe, and someone who thinks people should be barred from the country if they are ill.

F*ck this.
F*ck this so hard.

I thought the Lib Dems were not a single issue party.
I thought we had a soul and principles.
But apparently as long as you are on the right side on Brexit we’ll take you.

Well, I’m sorry, but no.

It doesn’t matter if we already have others as bad. You don’t make bad things better by adding more bad things. It doesn’t matter that he will increase our numbers in parliament by ONE. He thinks me and people like me are a lower class of human. I will not share a party with him.

I know you only get to do this once. I know I am ripping up almost my entire social life here. I know I am causing a lot of people a lot of organisational difficulties. And I’m sorry for all that. But there are some principles I will not compromise.

Sorry.”


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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 19:13
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post


Depends. Maybe if they are stupid enough not to know the difference between "countries" and "country's" they may be.
Well spotted, but I did vote leave after all
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 19:34
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Originally Posted by The Nip View Post
The chair of the Liberal Democrat LGBT wing has resigned from the party following Phillip Lee’s defection to them. “I thought we had a soul and principles.”
Didn't know Jennie was sufficiently well known that the meeja would take any notice of her.

Sad, but it won't stop me wearing one of her T-shirts in Westminster tomorrow. And I'm sure somebody else will step in to help run #ldconf #glee.

https://awkwardsquad.teemill.com/pro...-curvy-black-/
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 20:15
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Tim Shipman:

“As the Sunday Times revealed a week ago, you can get around the 2\3rds majority needed for an election in the Fixed Term Parliaments Act by passing a one line bill that says “notwithstanding the FTPA, we will have a general election on X date”

Hmm. Must ask David about this next time I see him - I know he deliberately put some clever loopholes in the FTPA, but maybe this was just something he couldn't do anything about.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 21:13
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Boris lost!
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 21:15
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General Election within weeks.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 21:36
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you can get around the 2\3rds majority needed for an election in the Fixed Term Parliaments Act by passing a one line bill that says “notwithstanding the FTPA,
Of course to pass any bill, even a one line bill, the Tories have to get the votes they need... and patently they didn't get the votes they needed to do what they wanted to do tonight....

Certainly going to be an interesting 24 hours.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 21:40
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Certainly going to be an interesting 24 hours.
Several of which, it appears, I will be spending in Westminster. Better stop chatting here and get my gear together for an early train.

(Well, 0927, that's "early" enough by my standards.)
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 21:51
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Gertrude clearly enjoys protesting. Beats working I suppose.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 21:56
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
General Election within weeks.
Not necessarily. This is what BJ and Cummins planned. But it's so clearly a 'stroke' that it won't inevitably fly. Parliament is not stupid after all.

Without an election Johnson will have to conjure up his imaginery deal. The one the EU keeps pointing out that he hasn't offered to them. Nothing, nada, nil.

He keeps referencing it but so far the poor EU has heard nothing.

A cynic might perhaps point out that it doesn't exist.




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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 22:03
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Rory Stewart gone.
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