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Old 30th Aug 2019, 14:24
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So, Corbyn has blocked every proposed deal. He wants, and not as part of any coherent strategy for a better deal, to block no-deal. Now he wants his momentum boot-boys to block the roads. Does he do anything other than block things?
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 14:26
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
For those who may have missed it.......the content summates matters perfectly.

One apologises for the delay in providing today's link due to operational reasons....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e-dictatorship

Except Boris Johnson isn’t pursuing a no deal Brexit so the whole piece falls down in the opening paragraph. As Johnson has pointed out today, the more MP’s try and stop a no-deal Brexit the more likely the chances are of having one. I would have thought the man on the Clapham omnibus would have no trouble in comprehending that, but it seems to be beyond the scope of a large grouping of MP’s.
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 14:26
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To add to the amusement of John Major joining his name to Gina Miller’s case against the planned prorogation (he, as you will remember, prorogued Parliament for 6 weeks in 1997, 18th Mar - 1st May, to cover up a scandal). Guido has now dug up the facts on yet another prorogation when the Attorney General was...... Dominic Grieve.....

https://order-order.com/2019/08/30/g...ion-hypocrisy/
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 16:29
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post



Except Boris Johnson isn’t pursuing a no deal Brexit so the whole piece falls down in the opening paragraph.
Boris will have been made perfectly aware that the EU has a red line when it comes to the GFA and the need for the backstop. The unity of the 27 has not budged on that item since day one, and is not going to in the next 8 weeks. So either Boris will have to accept a massive fudge on the backstop (most unlikely given what he has said over the last 4 weeks) or we are out with no deal.
if it is the latter he will blame the EU for being unreasonable inflexible etc etc. But ultimately it will be his choice to go that route.
And we will still be out.
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 16:58
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post



Except Boris Johnson isn’t pursuing a no deal Brexit so the whole piece falls down in the opening paragraph. As Johnson has pointed out today, the more MP’s try and stop a no-deal Brexit the more likely the chances are of having one. I would have thought the man on the Clapham omnibus would have no trouble in comprehending that, but it seems to be beyond the scope of a large grouping of MP’s.
Well that's a revelation.......however, here is the first paragraph and with it your chance to substantiate the underlined above........take as long as you wish.......... which may be some time....

" Boris Johnson has no public mandate and was chosen to be Tory party leader by just 0.14% of Britain’s population. A previous Tory politician, the former lord chancellor Lord Hailsham, thought governments with small majorities did not reflect wide enough support in the country and hence were undemocratic. His phrase was “elective dictatorship”. Mr Johnson hasn’t even got that. He threatens an unelective dictatorship, with a majority of one – which relies on 10 MPs from Northern Ireland’s Democratic Unionist party "



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Old 30th Aug 2019, 17:16
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
To add to the amusement of John Major joining his name to Gina Miller’s case against the planned prorogation (he, as you will remember, prorogued Parliament for 6 weeks in 1997, 18th Mar - 1st May, to cover up a scandal). Guido has now dug up the facts on yet another prorogation when the Attorney General was...... Dominic Grieve.....

https://order-order.com/2019/08/30/g...ion-hypocrisy/
but when this happened there was no shouting about it

the is an action of a wholey different order of magnitude

do you take the pupulust for fools

it is a good tactical move. Tell it as it is but don't tell us otherwise or expect it not to be challenged

or it leading to no Brexit and possibly the UK never leaving the EU

this is the same bunch of clowns who kicked all this off in the first place.

one thing I will bet on. You are in no way amused. I'll bet you are spitting feathers

standing by for the next twist or turn
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 17:24
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
Except Boris Johnson isn’t pursuing a no deal Brexit
Of course he is

he has traded the premiership for a 31st Brexit

he will work on a deal on 1 Nov +
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 17:34
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Well that's a revelation.......however, here is the first paragraph and with it your chance to substantiate the underlined above........take as long as you wish.......... which may be some time....

" Boris Johnson has no public mandate and was chosen to be Tory party leader by just 0.14% of Britain’s population. A previous Tory politician, the former lord chancellor Lord Hailsham, thought governments with small majorities did not reflect wide enough support in the country and hence were undemocratic. His phrase was “elective dictatorship”. Mr Johnson hasn’t even got that. He threatens an unelective dictatorship, with a majority of one – which relies on 10 MPs from Northern Ireland’s Democratic Unionist party "
No, here's the first paragraph.

"The power, influence and relevance of the Commons have been put under threat by a prime minister with a populist touch pursuing a hard Brexit".

We may yet leave the EU with a no-deal Brexit but it is not what he is actively seeking, but it may come about as a result of remain MP's undermining the UK's current negotiating stance. The government's majority is nothing to do with dictatorships and a majority of one hardly supports that, in fact quite the opposite. The government's popularity on their Brexit strategy can be tested quite easily if Corbyn is successful in a vote of no confidence, why doesn't he call one?
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 17:36
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Originally Posted by Islandlad View Post
Of course he is

he has traded the premiership for a 31st Brexit

he will work on a deal on 1 Nov +
I don't understand your last point, can you elaborate?
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 18:02
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
I don't understand your last point, can you elaborate?
leave on 31st and go back to the EU to start the long process of negotiating a trade deal. Do you not think that is what will happen next?

and the rest of the world

going to be a busy man
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 18:36
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So, Corbyn has blocked every proposed deal. He wants, and not as part of any coherent strategy for a better deal, to block no-deal. Now he wants his momentum boot-boys to block the roads. Does he do anything other than block things?
No, he doesn't.

After thirty-odd years in Parliament, he has advanced nothing positive and generally blocked everything, much of it contrary to his own party's whips. He is a congenital malcontent and a totally worthless person.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why the Lord Chief Justice or whoever has the necessary authority does not bring an action for sedition against people like Heseltine, Major (to include the ghastly Gina Miller who is seeking another 15 minutes of fame), Gauke, Grieve, Leftwing, Hammond et al. These people have had three years to persuade others to their anti-democratic points of view and have failed. They should be banged up in the Tower or, better, exiled to Latvia where they can enjoy the benefits of EU membership at others' expense.
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 18:43
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you can add in a few of the leading Leavers who campaigned to leave then f**ked off and didn't follow through what they initiated.

and don't get me started on the piss poor case that was made for remaining! Or their spineless attitude toward the serious shortcomings of the EU

a plague on all their houses

PS what do you have against the good people of Latvia?
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 20:47
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/q...ense-mh07fm206

We’ve entered the glory days of British political nonsense

quentin letts

Members of wicked juntas do not usually read Jeeves books. Nor do political mobs, mid-protest, generally lay out picnic rugs and sit down to a punnet of grapes, hummus and a promising little glass of something chilled and white. But in recent days we saw both those things, which perhaps goes to show what glory days these are for British political nonsense.

The PG Wodehouse fan was Jacob Rees-Mogg, leader of the House of Commons. On Wednesday he flew to Aberdeen to see the Queen at Balmoral and secure the prorogation of parliament, which was soon being compared to a South American coup. Did Generalissimo Mogg spend the flight poring over official documents? Did he immerse himself in Machiavelli or the war philosophies of 6th century BC China’s Sun Tzu? Actually, he gobbled down a rather good Wodehouse spoof called Jeeves and the King of Clubs.

I have been sketching Westminster on and off since Margaret Thatcher’s last weeks as premier and have never known such excess, such vividness, such a glut of preposterously British vaudeville.

Mrs T and her crew were immortalised by Spitting Image. Tony’s Cronies were sent up by Rory Bremner — Peter Mandelson, such a gift — and, yes, there was something priceless about chillaxed Dave Cameron and his petulant coalition partner Clegg. But none of those eras matched today’s cast of drawling, trouser-flapping, expostulating oddities. Harrumphing hypocrites, plutocratic class-warriors, blithely bogus pieties: we’ve never had such a corking harvest.

Every day brings some fresh vignette which, if included in an episode of The Thick of It, would have viewers shaking their heads and saying: “This time you have gone too far.” Only yesterday we had that Pooterish blowhard John Major — oh yes — saying he was going to go to law to stop Boris Johnson’s prorogation. Major himself once prorogued parliament for naked political advantage. He also used to complain about former prime ministers acting as “back-seat drivers”. What a prize cant.

For our present prime minister we have a crumple-shirted, buccaneering bonker who has exasperated his opponents by being the very opposite of the galumphing bungler they supposed. The Opposition is led by a mildewed Marxist who gives every impression he wishes he was hoeing his council allotment. Our supposedly vicious right-wing populist movement turns out to honkily cheerful, more like the provisional wing of the Rotary Club, and anyway, surely no one called Nigel can really be a dangerous Fascist.

On the rabble Left, those supposedly terrifying tribunes of the proletariat, Momentum, are the ones who sat down to a chichi picnic at Wednesday night’s demo outside parliament. Little pinkies out, comrades. Anyone fancy a top-up of Meursault? And from abroad came helpful (not at all) contributions from D Trump and G Verhofstadt, the latter sporting the greasiest centre-parting since Jaws in the Bond films.

What pickings, what succulent offerings: Michael Gove, more exquisitely polite than a sultan’s butler; Diane Abbott, a glass-completely-empty dunce; Emily Thornberry, Marxism’s Lady Wobbles; Dominic Cummings, a dress-down Robespierre. We have the hyperventilating Soubry, twitchy as an old broody, pushing her beak so close to TV cameras that you expect her to blow on the lens and give it a polish with her feathertips.

The supposedly unbiased Commons Speakership is occupied by Bercow, the most unbalanced, baleful, batey-bolshy hobgoblin in London SW1, whose misfortune it was to miss the “coup” this week because he was on a sunbed in Turkey. Let’s hope the waiters moved the kebab sticks out of his reach or someone might have been stabbed.

Ann Widdecombe’s pinking tones ding our ears from the right. From the left, Sir Keir Starmer stutters and stares at interviewers, gaze unblinking, weird as a blackbird. Then there is the Archbishop of Canterbury, the weak-chinned Etonian ex-oilman, his damp-rag forays into the Brexit minefield making Anglican parishioners cuss like Los Angeles rappers. It’s not exactly ideal at matins when prayers for the episcopacy generate snorts, from predominantly Leave-voting congregations, of “Pray for that blithering fool? You must be *%$#ing joking!”

All this and more: moist Barry Gardiner, the clench-jawed Raab, a sobbing Grieve and Little Miss Swinson demanding an audience with the Monarch. It’s just as well Prince Philip has been mothballed.

So, despite all this talk of our politics becoming “toxic”, despite that shrieking Psycho shower-scene music that seems to accompany every BBC News bulletin and despite Philip Pullman making lynch-mob allusions about Boris, and Hugh Grant exploding in F-words all over Twitter, let us marvel. Let us laugh at these maniacs. A spot of Wodehouse really might be the only answer.

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Old 30th Aug 2019, 21:26
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So, for those who still believe Boris Johnson is PM and is running things, here's evidence that Dominic Cummings is actually NCO I/C:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49526811
An advisor to Sajid Javid, Sonia Khan was sacked on the spot today. None of your fancy notice period or any of those niceties. It would appear that Ms Khan's sin was that her telephone records showed she had kept in touch with her old colleagues who, like her, were on the staff of Philip Hammond. Imagine! Treason and treachery! Keeping in touch with her ex-colleagues! According to the BBC report, PM Cummings demanded she hand over her work telephone and her private mobile. What does he, or anybody else for that matter, have to demand she hand over her private phone? Or have I misunderstood the term "private"?
According to Sajid Javid, he was not aware of what was happening, presumably in his name.
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 21:37
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So, for those who still believe Boris Johnson is PM and is running things, here's evidence that Dominic Cummings is actually NCO I/C:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49526811
An advisor to Sajid Javid, Sonia Khan was sacked on the spot today. None of your fancy notice period or any of those niceties. It would appear that Ms Khan's sin was that her telephone records showed she had kept in touch with her old colleagues who, like her, were on the staff of Philip Hammond. Imagine! Treason and treachery! Keeping in touch with her ex-colleagues! According to the BBC report, PM Cummings demanded she hand over her work telephone and her private mobile. What does he, or anybody else for that matter, have to demand she hand over her private phone? Or have I misunderstood the term "private"?
According to Sajid Javid, he was not aware of what was happening, presumably in his name.
Cummings is one dangerous individual. Johnson is very foolish to have taken him on board. Likely that decision will come back and bite him - with any luck. No particular quarrel with the Tories, I have been a Tory voter, but Johnson? No thanks.
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 21:56
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
So, for those who still believe Boris Johnson is PM and is running things, here's evidence that Dominic Cummings is actually NCO I/C:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49526811
An advisor to Sajid Javid, Sonia Khan was sacked on the spot today. None of your fancy notice period or any of those niceties. It would appear that Ms Khan's sin was that her telephone records showed she had kept in touch with her old colleagues who, like her, were on the staff of Philip Hammond. Imagine! Treason and treachery! Keeping in touch with her ex-colleagues! According to the BBC report, PM Cummings demanded she hand over her work telephone and her private mobile. What does he, or anybody else for that matter, have to demand she hand over her private phone? Or have I misunderstood the term "private"?
According to Sajid Javid, he was not aware of what was happening, presumably in his name.
GDPR applies to Govt and accessing private details requires a Police warrant, seems like Cummings is setting himself up with his own policing authority.
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 22:38
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Anyone watched last nights programme about the supreme leader of China would not be able to equate the Remainers views with the reality of political life in the UK.
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 22:43
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GDPR applies to Govt and accessing private details requires a Police warrant, seems like Cummings is setting himself up with his own policing authority.
Agreed. Seems that at least one law has been broken here. I hope the lady gets a lawyer to take this up. Cummings is now running no.10 by all accounts.
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 22:48
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Latest Survation poll reflects the YouGov poll at #9711 within a couple of points....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ree-weeks.html
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 23:30
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I have a sneaking feeling that the implications of the Letts diatribe, particularly in respect of the reading habits of Rees-Mogg, indicate something less than wholesome among our newly-installed Government. While the schoolchild level of 'humour' so beloved by a certain area of society is Woodhouse's writing style, his personal activities vis-a-vis his country, at a time of strife, do not sit well with notions of patriotism - something which R-M bleats about in nausea-inducing tones. It might have been vastly more enlightening for this itinerant supplicant to have found a copy of Count Harry Kessler's diary. This is the personal day-to-day account of the events within Europe from the WW1 Armistice through the endless reparations debacle to the late 30s, including (obviously) the rise of Nazism and the emergence of Hitler. Atrocities aplenty, of course, but more relevant is the failure of supposedly intelligent, politically active people to appreciate what was being done to them in the guise of strength of purpose. The old saw -"those who fail to learn the lessons of history will be condemned to repeat them" was never more true!
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