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Old 27th Aug 2019, 11:07
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
I note that Johnson is being taken to task for his 'pork pies' about pork pies!! How appropriate is that? Such subject matter for an established serial liar could not have been scripted more succinctly. Supposedly intelligent people actually voted for this ... (fill in expletives of choice!)
Are you saying he told a lie that Pork Pies were exported to Iceland?
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 11:11
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Are you saying he told a lie that Pork Pies were exported to Iceland?
The representative for Melton Mowbray said that the only Iceland they had sold them to was the shop.
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 11:14
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 11:52
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
I note that Johnson is being taken to task for his 'pork pies' about pork pies!! How appropriate is that? Such subject matter for an established serial liar could not have been scripted more succinctly. Supposedly intelligent people actually voted for this ... (fill in expletives of choice!)
There are reliable quotes/sources on the internet (aol for example) which support Johnsonís comments on these particular pork pies being exported to Thailand and Iceland.
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 12:09
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post


There are reliable quotes/sources on the internet (aol for example) which support Johnsonís comments on these particular pork pies being exported to Thailand and Iceland.
It doesn't matter. CJ is another one who just accepts that everything he hears about BJ must be true. They all just on board the hate bandwagon so they feel superior. It gives them a tingle in their nether regions.
BBC R4 were quite happy to let the lie continue without broadcasting a retraction till later.

His lies are well known, making lies up will embolden those that support him. The same goes with Corbyn.
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 12:22
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It doesn't matter. CJ is another one who just accepts that everything he hears about BJ must be true. They all just on board the hate bandwagon so they feel superior. It gives them a tingle in their nether regions.
BBC R4 were quite happy to let the lie continue without broadcasting a retraction till later.

His lies are well known, making lies up will embolden those that support him. The same goes with Corbyn.


Spending the day inside rather than painting outside as it is too hot to watch paint dry I have carried out some more research!

It would seem the gentleman interviewed on Radio 4 was the representative of some sort of trade association or appreciation society and therefore unlikely to have been across the intimacies of the Walker and Son’s export sales who are indeed major manufacturers. Nonetheless, he did agree with Justin Webb’s assertion that the pies were sold in ‘Iceland’ shops, but my research (trying to order on line) reveals that although pies on this nature are indeed available they are in fact made in Yorkshire rather than Leicestershire and thus follow current EU regs and are referred to as ‘Vale of Mowbray’ pies rather than true ‘Melton Mowbray’ pies.

I carried out this research whilst having lunch - two delicious Melton Mowbray pies from our local Co-op. Delicious they were too with some Branston pickle.

That’s enough about pies - Ed.
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 13:49
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EM, regarding your opinion on another referendum being the obvious solution, I do not believe that is the case and in fact would make things even worse, as has been discussed the questions that need to be on the ballot paper would have to be clear, concise and unambiguous, also the result must provide a clear margin for one solution or another, that will be virtually impossible as the original one was a simple yes/no and that has been difficult enough for some people to grasp over the last three years.

The possible format for another referendum has been discussed ad infinitum on this and other on-line media without a clear and sensible solution acceptable to both sides that would not be perceived as being biased to one result over the other, a bit like polls who provide the correct result required by those setting the exam question to suit their required outcome.

I also do not believe that another GE before we leave is a good idea either, like Mayís one it will equally be another wrong result for the Conservatives and not what they think they will gain from it.Also everyone wonders what money tree all those bribes, sorry incentives/promises of money for NHS, housing, police etc is coming from but are quite happy to waste a ton of money on another referendum or GE, does not make sense.
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 14:07
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
EM, regarding your opinion on another referendum being the obvious solution, I do not believe that is the case and in fact would make things even worse, as has been discussed the questions that need to be on the ballot paper would have to be clear, concise and unambiguous, also the result must provide a clear margin for one solution or another, that will be virtually impossible as the original one was a simple yes/no and that has been difficult enough for some people to grasp over the last three years.

The possible format for another referendum has been discussed ad infinitum on this and other on-line media without a clear and sensible solution acceptable to both sides that would not be perceived as being biased to one result over the other, a bit like polls who provide the correct result required by those setting the exam question to suit their required outcome.

I also do not believe that another GE before we leave is a good idea either, like May’s one it will equally be another wrong result for the Conservatives and not what they think they will gain from it.Also everyone wonders what money tree all those bribes, sorry incentives/promises of money for NHS, housing, police etc is coming from but are quite happy to waste a ton of money on another referendum or GE, does not make sense.
I agree.
Having been bitterly disappointed with the referendum result I could nevertheless see there was no reasonable chance to reverse it.

Sh!t happens and we have to accept it. We can all see that there will be plenty of the stuff flying round after Brexit, and a lot of people especially the less well off will suffer.

But as they say, that's democracy.
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 15:26
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Corbyn on TV making it clear he is still after a General Election. I am perhaps being slightly cynical in saying that he wouldnít mind the date of the actual vote after 31st October.

Meanwhile, Sky reporting that the Chancellor is to reveal some of his post-Brexit financial plans this afternoon. Which came as a surprise to their financial reporters who werenít expecting it. Almost as if election plans are afoot....
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 15:30
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I would happily agree with comments re the original referendum were it not for two points. Firstly and most importantly IMO there was no mention of the implications for Ireland and the GFA. At the risk of upsetting our good friend Mustafa I contend that certain republican elements within the island are itching to have a go. ( an opinion backed up in the excellent documentary by Peter Taylor on The Troubles broadcast on BBC2 on Sunday) Brexit gives them a perfect excuse and probably at the same time scuppers a trade deal with the US.

Secondly, at no point in the run up to the referendum was it even hinted at the possibility of NoDeal. Indeed as little as one month ago young Pfeffel was offering odds of 1000000 to 1 on such an outcome. It is certainly true that Remainer sentiment is weakening the negotiating position between the UK and the EU. It is only right and proper that this should be so as more than half of us are siding with the EU. Long may it continue to be the case, in for a penny in for a Euro!
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 15:51
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Secondly, at no point in the run up to the referendum was it even hinted at the possibility of NoDeal]

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Old 27th Aug 2019, 16:01
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Last time it was accountancy , now, it's "Maff's 4 Beginners "...a joint Patel and Johnson production !.......of course, to some, every utterance from either dulcet larynx is akin to the Sermon on the Mount, pristine and wholesome truth in abundance .......to free thinkers, which some of us are, it's pure electioneering hyperbole and Boris doing what he does best......lie with impunity....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...police-numbers
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 16:01
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Oh come on chaps! - I quite understand that there are those who believe this self-aggrandising little wazzock is going to lead them to the promised land of chlorine-washed chicken and steroid enhanced steaks and love-ins with the orange-haired 'Leader of the Free World' but is your sense of humour not just a little tickled by the juxtaposition of his well-documented past and 'pork pies' of whatever nature? He seems to have some sort of food fixation after the 'kipper' episode, so what next? Jam tarts, anyone?
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 16:08
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Now that is showing we would leave the single market, how about something showing we would leave with no deal?
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 16:24
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
Oh come on chaps! - I quite understand that there are those who believe this self-aggrandising little wazzock is going to lead them to the promised land of chlorine-washed chicken and steroid enhanced steaks and love-ins with the orange-haired 'Leader of the Free World' but is your sense of humour not just a little tickled by the juxtaposition of his well-documented past and 'pork pies' of whatever nature? He seems to have some sort of food fixation after the 'kipper' episode, so what next? Jam tarts, anyone?
I have no view on jam tarts.
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 16:28
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Now that is showing we would leave the single market, how about something showing we would leave with no deal?

Fill your boots. Please note the dates in the clips.

https://order-order.com/2019/08/14/h...-lead-no-deal/
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 16:43
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Secondly, at no point in the run up to the referendum was it even hinted at the possibility of NoDeal. Indeed as little as one month ago young Pfeffel was offering odds of 1000000 to 1 on such an outcome. It is certainly true that Remainer sentiment is weakening the negotiating position between the UK and the EU. It is only right and proper that this should be so as more than half of us are siding with the EU. Long may it continue to be the case, in for a penny in for a Euro!
Do you even bother to look information up, or do you just spout rubbish? For 3 years this information has been thrown around continually, yet you haven't seen the myriad of clips clearly showing leading MPs etc stating exactly what a vote leave COULD mean.

Did you actually know what you were voting for?
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 18:22
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I didn't vote in 2016 as I considered that there was insufficient unbiased information available, I would contend now that was the correct decision, one that every voter should have made. You seem to be confusing leaving the single market with NoDeal. May's deal left the single market but the ERG and Farage considered that was not hard enough.

In our local news tonight a care home in Norfolk is facing closure because EU staff have upped sticks. Maybe that was explained in 2016 too ?
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 19:39
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I contend that certain republican elements within the island are itching to have a go
I think you'll find that 'certain republican elements' as you put it,are already 'having a go' .... backstop or no backstop.......
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 19:54
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Re No Deal etc

From Micheal Gove, leader of the Leave Campaign, writing in the Daily Mail

“Some may say that ditching this deal will allow us to leave without any compromises. But we didn’t vote to leave without a deal. That wasn’t the message of the campaign I helped lead. During that campaign, we said we should do a deal with the EU and be part of the network of free trade deals that covers all Europe, from Iceland to Turkey”

Full article dated 10th March this year https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-happens.html


So it one could argue that despite lots of warnings that No Deal might happen, it would appear that the leaders of one of the Leave Campaigns did not campaign for no deal, and were in fact, against it.
Perhaps political and personal developments have changed his stance now, but it seems unfair to blame ‘Remoaners’ for pointing out some major inconsistencies when a body of Leave campaigners had problems with No Deal as well.
That having been said, a split opposition to No Deal, led by the current Labour Party leader is not going to get anywhere.
As it is, we are on the way out on 31st Oct , with all the upheaval involved.

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