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Old 19th Jul 2019, 05:26
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https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...y-refuses-sack

Theresa May refuses to sack Cabinet rebels despite humiliating Brexit defeat

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But despite the mass rebellion, a spokesman for Mrs May confirmed that she would not be taking any disciplinary action.

He said: "The Prime Minister is obviously disappointed that a number of Ministers failed to vote in this afternoon’s division. No doubt her successor will take this into account when forming their government."..........

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Old 19th Jul 2019, 06:12
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https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...n-over-brexit/

Is Leo Varadkar climbing down over Brexit?
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 07:32
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POLITICO:

A POLITICO/Hanbury tracker poll of clusters of key marginal seats across different parts of the U.K. found the vast majority of voters now support either a no-deal Brexit or revoking Article 50. Support for a further extension to the Article 50 process has collapsed since our last national poll in February, when almost half of voters backed a short extension, and since last November, when almost half backed a compromise deal with the EU. This polarized picture out in the country reflects the increasingly polarized situation here in Westminster, as MPs gear up for an almighty Leave vs. Remain battle this autumn.

The center cannot hold: “U.K. voters have vacated the Brexit middle ground in favor of the extreme positions of either revoking Article 50 or pursuing a no-deal Brexit,” my POLITICO colleague Annabelle Dickson reports. “The data, from four clusters of swing seats in England and Scotland, suggests that voters frustrated by the political impasse over Brexit and the failure to leave the EU in March have largely lost patience with attempts to find a deal. Support for a further delay to Brexit has collapsed, and respondents are now breaking to the two extreme positions.” See her story for the key data sets and graphs.

View from the regions: In our clusters of marginal seats in the Leave-supporting North West and the East Midlands, voters comfortably backed no deal over revoking Article 50. In our clusters in Remain-supporting Scotland and London, voters preferred to cancel Brexit. A further delay to Brexit to seek a different outcome was backed by fewer than 10 percent of voters in each area.

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Old 19th Jul 2019, 07:44
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An interesting result last night in a Daventry election. The Lib Dems gained a seat from the Tories on a 33% swing. They went from 10.9% to 49.5% of the vote!
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 10:04
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Talking about the bye-elections yesterday - Labour came 4th, behind the Women’s Equality Party, with a total of 82 votes......


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Old 19th Jul 2019, 10:19
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I would argue that the one you highlight isn't of great significance because Labour only had 6% going into the election. In the case of the one I posted is massively significant because in a Tory held Middle England seat ( not far in fact from the constituency of Peter Bone) we see a huge swing to a pro Remain party. Is this a straw in the wind for Bozza?
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 10:35
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I don’t see it as being highly significant, not least because it was only a 30% turnout.

https://www.daventrydc.gov.uk/your-c...tion-19-07-19/

And I can understand the locals switching to another party after their Conservative councillor didn’t turn up for 6 months (the other 2 in the ward are Conservative,)

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/n...nths-1-8969590
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I am surprised that you don't really. In a council previously comprised of 30 Tories out of 36 Councillors and single Lib Dem (83.3% to 2.8%) that the electors should suddenly decide to place every other vote with the LD's seems to me highly significant. Why should they do that? And btw 30% is a normal sort of turnout for a council election.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 10:53
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Because the last election was only last year, and as far as Brexit or anything else, little has changed in the past 12 months.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_D...uncil_election
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 11:02
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I fail to see how any of that strengthens your case, in fact quite the reverse it argues mine. Why did 49.5% of the voters back the LD when previously their vote was, to use a Borisism, vanishingly small?
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 11:21
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Boris will become PM if and when the Queen calls him to the Palace and asks him to form a government. It is solely a position at the discretion of the monarch.

It it is not obvious whether the current PM would remain in post as caretaker PM during the next 14 days or be replaced, though it seems that is choice of the incumbent - and I could not imagine Boris voluntarily handing over to JC before 14 day requirement for a general election is required.
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This doesn't explain why the Queen might decide to call him to the Palace.

Boris will very likely be chosen as Tory Party leader. But it is entirely possible that even in the absence of a sitting Parliament, sufficient MPs will indicate their lack of support for him that he would obviously fail a motion of non confidence when Parliament sits. It only needs a couple of Tory MPs who resent a no-deal Brexit to publicly change sides.

In such circumstances would the Queen (acting on advice of course) think it sensible or necessary to appoint such a person as Prime Minister?





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Old 19th Jul 2019, 12:01
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Brexit: Scheme to block no deal 'could involve Queen'

Interesting. So the same people outraged by plans to prorogue parliament are quite happy to draw HM the Q into their machinations.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 14:27
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The Queen although generally above the political shenanigans going on down the road in Westminster but has to be broadly in favour of Brexit for two reasons;

The first is that She rather than the EU need to be the ultimate arbiter of power in the UK.

The second reason is that as the monarch reigning over a constitutional democracy, the majority vote in the referendum was in favour of leaving the EU. She is therefore honour bound to ensure that the wishes of her subjects are enacted. That is the nature of the contract between the monarch and the general public.

It is pointless to persist with arguments that the majority did not vote in favour of leaving, or that people may have changed their minds. The point is that at the time of the referendum an opinion was expressed and promises were made to abide by that result. Until Brexit occurs, the government of the UK is going to be trapped in an ever decreasing spiral that prevents proper governance or running of the essential institutions in the UK.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 17:23
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I’ve forgotten, is there still a Brexit thread?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49048431
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 19:27
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
An interesting result last night in a Daventry election. The Lib Dems gained a seat from the Tories on a 33% swing. They went from 10.9% to 49.5% of the vote!
Council by-elections can deliver seemingly really weird results, if you don't know the local area and the local characters, so you can't extrapolate from any one such result with any confidence.

However there have in recent weeks been a steady trickle of swings from Tory to LibDem in the several tens of percents.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 19:34
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Because the Queen is head of state - heads of state occasionally have to do something other than plant trees or wave to earn their corn.

If the Queen told Boris its a GE or second referendum if he wants her to sign anything what would he do. We are a PARLIAMENTARY democracy not a dictatorship and it is Parliament not the PM who is supreme.. The last person to mess about with parliament this way lost his head over it .

MPs have to swear an oath of allegiance and it is not to the Prime Minister it is to the Queen as head of state and the only recourse a PM has is parliament
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 19:50
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I think you miss the point.

To prorogue parliament would require the Queens consent. The Humble Address approach also requires the Queens intervention.

One of the major objections to either strategy is that it would draw a politically neutral monarch into a political dogfight. As the article I linked to states:

A request to the Queen to attend a European summit would be regarded as the most extraordinary political step in her 67-year reign.

It would probably be regarded as a breach of the unwritten rules surrounding Britain's constitutional monarchy, which say the Queen should be kept out of the political arena.
My point is that it's somewhat hypocritical to oppose one approach while pursuing the other. Then again, I'm not particularly surprised.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 21:05
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Grauniad apologies and pays damages to Oakeshott......

https://order-order.com/2019/07/19/g...ve-figure-sum/

Electoral Commission case against Darren Grimes thrown out of court.....

https://order-order.com/2019/07/19/d...al-commission/

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Old 21st Jul 2019, 05:57
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Grauniad apologies and pays damages to Oakeshott......

https://order-order.com/2019/07/19/g...ve-figure-sum/

Electoral Commission case against Darren Grimes thrown out of court.....

https://order-order.com/2019/07/19/d...al-commission/


Those are interesting links ORAC, so here's another which, whilst not directly related, does have a relevance.

"Freedom of speech no longer exists in the UK ".....much trumpeted on here by those blissfully ignorant as to the fact, that, little quips about casual racism and homophobia.....might as well add Islam as well, always a firm favourite when the expression emerges......are now rightly seen for what they are and are...... defamatory, hostile and wholly unacceptable ....but this is far more relevant to freedom of speech, and yes, it does have a relevance to UK politics because who should get a mention ?..non other than Nige's former best friend ever......Mr Banks.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ck-documentary
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Old 21st Jul 2019, 06:44
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Freedom of Speech exists, as they are obviously printing and broadcasting as they wish. But so does the right to challenge slander and libel in court. And, frankly, choosing Carole Cadwalladr is is hardly uncommon - she has a history in such matters....

https://www.spiked-online.com/2018/0...ve-journalism/
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