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Old 4th Jun 2019, 11:56
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Originally Posted by vctenderness View Post
I get totally p*****d off with this anti Trump tosh!

It is typical leftie stuff. Any Republican is going to receive the same treatment. Who remembers the rubbish talked about Reagan? He received a typical left wing welcome here.

George Bush was rubbished relentlessly by the same suspects. He was a dumb as chickensh*t according to them despite being a qualified pilot!

Whilst lying, cheating young intern molesting Democratic President Clinton is treated like a god.

John F Kennedy who was shagging anything that moved and sleeping with a Gangsters Moll and whoís father was a Nazi loving bootlegger is elevated to Sainthood.

makes me puke!
That's being a bit harsh.

On the one hand "Tricky Dicky" got a fair hearing here, until the Watergate business overtook him, Gerald Ford and George Bush Snr. also; while on the other hand Jimmy Carter was constantly the butt of jokes regarding his (alleged) IQ and I seem to recall that despite the excellent work that his administration did in relation to the Northern Irish problem, Bill Clinton didn't get an easy ride either.

I am inclined to agree that, with the benefit of hindsight, Ronald Reagan was treated more than a tad unfairly in the UK, but I think you can equally say that his stock rose, more because of a fortunate turn of events in the internal politics of the Soviet Union, with the rise of Gorbachev, glasnost and perestroika etc. than because of his very robust attitude towards the Soviet Union. But he dealt well with the hand he was given.

The Current (republican) incumbent with his policies on trade, the environment, gun laws, human rights (the list could go on) makes him an anathema to many people here in UK, and not just on the left (I consider myself to be centrist not on the left) but also among natural Tory voters and with his infantile tweeting and fits of pique at anything he disagrees with, he makes himself far too easy a target for those who want to demonstrate against him.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 12:17
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
All that said, Corbyn was wrong not to attend the Buck House banquet last night, he should have been there and confronted Trump and put his issues directly to him; he could have been sure that Trump would have fired back, but to take part in a demo, largely orchestrated by the usual suspects carrying "Socialist Worker" placards achieves nothing, and does little to enhance his stock among the (large portion) of the electorate who will have no truck with him, and whom he needs to get a working majority at the next election.
Indeed - absolutely wrong. But Corbyn not only is a totally worthless person, he also is a cowardly one. His political life has been defined by engaging only with those who seek to destroy and does his sniping from a safe distance. It would be wholly out of character for him to directly confront Trump (or anyone else) and make his arguments; much safer in the refuge of elsewhere. Direct confrontation would require a degree of courage absent from his make-up..
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 15:11
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Originally Posted by Gipsy Queen View Post
Indeed - absolutely wrong. But Corbyn not only is a totally worthless person, he also is a cowardly one. His political life has been defined by engaging only with those who seek to destroy and does his sniping from a safe distance. It would be wholly out of character for him to directly confront Trump (or anyone else) and make his arguments; much safer in the refuge of elsewhere. Direct confrontation would require a degree of courage absent from his make-up..
Fake news mate! In reality Corbyn requested a meeting, but it was declined by Trump. Trumpís comments in the press conference with May were very revealing about his character:

Corbyn has been critical of him, he says. He says he does not like people who are critical.

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Old 4th Jun 2019, 16:10
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Nutloose, the Social Metrics Commission agree with the UN so that's one in the eye for Spreadsheet Phil.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 16:15
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post


Fake news mate! In reality Corbyn requested a meeting, but it was declined by Trump. Trumpís comments in the press conference with May were very revealing about his character:

Corbyn has been critical of him, he says. He says he does not like people who are critical.


After he had snubbed the invite to a state banquet and appearing at an anti Trump rabble rousing rally.

It was Trump who revealed that Corbyn had requested a meeting not Corbyn.

It was Labour office that confirmed this after Trump had made his speech.

Corbyn is a lying Marxist, Student protestor nothing more!
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 19:01
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Originally Posted by Gipsy Queen View Post
Never in my almost 80 years on this planet have I known a political situation as we have now. Politicians are polarised and this destructive polarisation has infected the nation as a whole. In my view, without exception, all those vying for leadership, regardless of their affiliations, fundamentally are unfit for the office; indeed I regard nearly all of them unfit for any national responsibility.

I seriously think the only truly effective catharsis will be provided by Corbyn and his worthless cronies who will reduce the country to such destitution that eventually, from the ensuing conflagration, a phoenix in the form of a quasi-dictator will arise (perhaps with military assistance) to set the country once again on a course largely self-determined over the last 400 years and before it was interrupted by the present HoC/HoL zoo and the loarthsome Mrs May who is making as much hay as she can while her sun still shines, although I doubt if The Donald will bother to give her much attention - why on earth would he?

However, I have to admit to my shame in my country arising from the disgraceful behaviour of Corbyn refusing to participate in a national event as he is required and at the same time parading his infantile views in a provocative rally conceived to bring maximum national embarrassment and discourtesy to our visitor as well as his knitted sandal yobs contriving to do the same things. Trump may be a divisive character and some of his views may not sit well with many in this country, but he is not here as Donald Trump; he is here as the President of the USA and the guest of HM The Queen. In the forces one does not salute the man, one salutes the rank and the same applies here. A pity these silly malcontents cannot see beyond their own myopic Marxism.
Unreservedly, whole heartily I agree with the entirety of the above. I simply cannot understand how the change to our nation has occurred. I suppose, some day well into the future, historians will investigate, analyse, discuss and debate it, and much like a inconclusive air accident investigation involving a complex causal chain, including human factors, come to conflicting conclusions, and nothing learned from it.
I must add that it is a forlorn hope to expect any military etiquette from Corbyn. Only those who have served their country can be expected to appreciate its significance and value. There is another meaningful word, patriotism, these days most who know it are frightened of uttering it, except in whispers, and among the few,of which naturally do not include politicians in our parliament. The yanks though have one, Trump and look at all that`s thrown at him for admitting it.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 19:19
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In the forces one does not salute the man, one salutes the rank
Who told you that? In the Army, I was taught that one salutes the Queen's commission. Otherwise, we could be saluting RSMs! (Oh. Hold on a tick, they are Non-Commissioned)
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 19:36
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Who told you that? In the Army, I was taught that one salutes the Queen's commission. Otherwise, we could be saluting RSMs! (Oh. Hold on a tick, they are Non-Commissioned)
And if you go by the kind of codswallop that`s shown on the box these days, officers are now called boss and given the two finger salute by the enlisted folk. And of course the pips have also finally come off. Egalite, Liberte, Fraternite without the guillotine, what a great achievement.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 19:49
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Rules for Conservative party leadership election.

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Old 4th Jun 2019, 19:56
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Originally Posted by Gipsy Queen View Post
but he is not here as Donald Trump; he is here as the President of the USA and the guest of HM The Queen
He's a ******* fascist and he's here to buy the NHS. FFS.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 20:00
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Rules for Conservative party leadership election.
Change the rules in the middle of a campaign?

Been taking lessons from the NEC?

How undemocratic can you get!!!
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 20:58
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Change the rules in the middle of a campaign?
Not a change - rules are agreed for each election.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 21:03
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Who told you that? In the Army, I was taught that one salutes the Queen's commission. Otherwise, we could be saluting RSMs! (Oh. Hold on a tick, they are Non-Commissioned)
No they are not, they hold Queen's Warrant but are not saluted as they do not hold a commission.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 22:52
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
No they are not, they hold Queen's Warrant but are not saluted as they do not hold a commission.
Thanks, Pontius. I was about to make the point but you have saved me the trouble. Should I meet KelvinD in real life, I shall expect him to walk a little behind me and at my left.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 23:28
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Of course they hold the Queen's Warrant; hence the term Warrant Officers. They do not hold the Queen's commission. Perhaps I should have said "Not Commissioned", rather than "Non-Commissioned".
Gypsy Queen I will not walk slightly to your left and behind you. In fact, I will not walk slightly to the left etc of anybody.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 06:38
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Now that we've established the finer points of military etiquette, never something I regarded as being relevant or essential, back to Nige.

You would think, that, according to Nige that is, nothing of relevance happened and all that money was just a friend being a philanthropist to another in his time of dire financial need....Nige said he was "skint " you may recall.

So on that basis, as there's nothing to worry about, it's strange that he's declined the EU's invite because surely, a quick visit, and an explanation, would all it would take to satisfy them Nige is as pristine as ever..... and Mr Banks just a benefactor whose generosity is infinite !

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...on-banks-funds
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 08:47
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And more to the point - where does Banks' money come from?
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 09:36
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And so the circle is complete , from the Boris lies about diverting mioney from Eu to the NHS we are now no longer a partner in the worlds biggest trading bloc but a vassal state tot he USA and the price of that is to destroy the NHS in one small step. bet you quitters are so so glad you voted to run away from the Eu. especially poignant this week with D Day celebrations and all the occupied countries men who fought alongside us 75 years ago. Especially as so many quitters are elderly and need the NHS more than ever or are readers of the Daily Mail-average age 59 years which urged you to vote leaver without a thought for the consequences . And those who belive we could cavalier fashion 'strike' new trade deals . of which there are twos orts, ones with big countries who just tell us what to do and what they want and the rest which are small and inconsequential and not worth he paper written on or Liam Fox's airmiles.
there is a reason so many people who look beyond the rhetoric and lies voted remain
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 17:52
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And so the circle is complete , from the Boris lies about diverting mioney from Eu to the NHS we are now no longer a partner in the worlds biggest trading bloc but a vassal state tot he USA and the price of that is to destroy the NHS in one small step.
Nothing new here, though, all this was known three years ago.

I really don't understand why anyone, least of all the people who comment on the Wail site, is getting worked up about it.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 18:05
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Might have been known to you Gertie but not to many others
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