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Old 28th May 2019, 21:39
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
Freedom Day!
They lied to us first time they promised a #Brexshit Day, and they lied to us the second time they promised a #Brexshit Day, so I have no reason to suppose they're not lying the third time. Basic rule of life - lie once and nobody will believe you ever again.
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Old 28th May 2019, 21:47
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GTW, you hit the nail on the head. I would vote LD if it meant an LD in Islington. Who would you put up against him? Would you risk VC?

Problem with LD is the same as with the Belgians; name two famous ones.

Steel, Ashdown, Grimond, Thorpe, that chap who works for Facebook, and that Cable chap. Oh and Laws.
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Old 28th May 2019, 21:52
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Is Brexit so wonderful, that it has to be headline news when a large company has decided not to leave?


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Old 28th May 2019, 22:00
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
I would vote LD if it meant an LD in Islington. Who would you put up against him?
You'd have to ask the local party - it's their choice. We're not in the habit of parachuting in centrally chosen candidates.

In fact the local party quite likely has a PPC in place, in which case you might be able to answer your question by looking at their web site.
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Old 28th May 2019, 23:42
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
GTW, you hit the nail on the head. I would vote LD if it meant an LD in Islington. Who would you put up against him? Would you risk VC?

Problem with LD is the same as with the Belgians; name two famous ones.

Steel, Ashdown, Grimond, Thorpe, that chap who works for Facebook, and that Cable chap. Oh and Laws.
Kennedy, Sinclair, Williams, Jenkins, Beith, Clegg. Current party - Fallon, Lamb, Cable, Swinson. The fact the Corbyn got 3 times as many votes as the rest of the parties put together ijn 2017 may be a bit of an issue.
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Old 29th May 2019, 04:34
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On Tuesday the Equalities and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) launched a root and branch investigation into Labour’s handling of anti-Semitism complaints, only the second time a political party has faced such a probe, after the British National Party.

It's rather a disturbing question really, isn't it, if members of the BNP are raging racist fascists, aren't members of Labour (real time Marxist Party) raging racist communists.
To argue that they were not, that Marxist Party members were perfectly ordinary fellows would be the same as discrimination against BNP party members along the lines of political belief. This would not be fair and might lead in turn to investigation by the EHRC.

I suppose we should reserve judgement until the EHCR has completed its reports but I have to say that it al looks quite discouraging for The Corbyn, his acolytes and the party members in general. Next time you see one of those red banner, party membership things, outside a house, tremble at what the future might hold for a free thinker in the gulag?
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Old 29th May 2019, 05:06
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
You probably won't be alone on here and there's more than a hint of irony given Corbyn's previous encounters with Blair weren't exactly amicable.

However, this may prove problematic for many on here.

The Beeb tends to generate somewhat impassioned and less than favourable comments form some contributors who are convinced the organisation is a dedicated hotbed of ( insert "ists " of choice here ) when it isn't......but that's JB for you. Consequently, the series of debates, catatonic though they may end up being, will surely be welcomed by those happily antagonistic to the Beeb !

/QUOTE/https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48437124
Well Krystal given that the Beebs own man is sticking it to them, the truth is more apparent than you think...

ANDREW NEIL labelled a BBC results chart claiming Remain-backing forces have won the European elections “dodgy” amid growing calls for a second Brexit referendum
If that does not indicate all is not well with Aunty, I don't know what will.

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Old 29th May 2019, 05:21
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Originally Posted by Imagegear View Post
Well Krystal given that the Beebs own man is sticking it to them, the truth is more apparent than you think...



If that does not indicate all is not well with Aunty, I don't know what will.

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It's a shame you didn't include a link to the source of the quote...always comes in useful, but, it appears to have come from the Excess. In which case......

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Old 29th May 2019, 06:09
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Old 29th May 2019, 06:23
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Thank you ORAC, indebted as always for your research expertise.

Looking at the figures, he may have a point. However, it's nice to read in the sense his criticism rebuts the argument the BBC only employs dedicated left wing interviewers.
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Old 29th May 2019, 06:28
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Originally Posted by MAINJAFAD View Post
Kennedy, Sinclair, Williams, Jenkins, Beith, Clegg. Current party - Fallon, Lamb, Cable, Swinson. The fact the Corbyn got 3 times as many votes as the rest of the parties put together ijn 2017 may be a bit of an issue.
Thank you, I had forgotten Kennedy and know of Lord Beith. I am sure though that you recognised that I was suggesting that there is a shortage of personalities that could stand against a well known one such as JC.

Of course that is one reason why the big guns usually survive. There are relatively few 'big guns ' in any party and usually avoid going head to head in an election. The elections are decided by the infantry in the centre.
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Old 29th May 2019, 06:36
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FWIW a more comprehensive report on the new Airbus CEOs recent comments regarding Brexit, EU/China trade etc.


https://www.euractiv.com/section/avi...rexit-outcome/

Though according to a rather radicalised Brexiter I met a few weeks back Airbus/the French/Germans/Italians didn't export anything, and expressed doubts that the aircraft on the ramp at Balance ever got sold....
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Old 29th May 2019, 11:39
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48445430

Boris Johnson has been ordered to appear in court over claims he lied by saying the UK gave the EU £350m a week
Why now?.... it all smacks of an attempt to knobble his chances.
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Old 29th May 2019, 11:58
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48445430



Why now?.... it all smacks of an attempt to knobble his chances.

seems like (only a very quick scan) that Boris was notified of intended prosecution back in November 2018. The case has probably been being built long before then. Doubt it has anything to do with his desire to become Conservative party leader more the glacial pace that legal issues take to come to court in the UK
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Old 29th May 2019, 13:05
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If we’re prosecuting everyone who talked nonsense on Brexit we need a courtroom big enough for our entire political class. And nearly everyone on this forum!
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Old 29th May 2019, 13:11
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Meanwhile inside Labour, happy home to anti-semites, intimidatory thugs and holocaust-deniers, Alistair Campbell has achieved the near-impossible feat of being expelled!
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Old 29th May 2019, 14:09
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If we’re prosecuting everyone who talked nonsense on Brexit we need a courtroom big enough for our entire political class. And nearly everyone on this forum!
The Daily Mail report in part carries this statement made by one of the legal team involved..

"the defendant knew that such comments were false or misleading in that he had on other occasions used accurate figures and showed a clear understanding of how to quantify UK spending in respect of the EU.

'Lying on a national and international platform undermines public confidence in politics, undermines the integrity of public referendums and brings both public offices held by the proposed defendant into disrepute.

'The law dictates that misconduct to such a degree requires a criminal sanction. There is no justification or excuse for such misconduct.

'To that end Mr Johnson was written to by the prosecution applicant on November 16, 2018, and invited him to provide an explanation and grounds for his belief in the accuracy and truth of the comments made.

'The prosecution applicant expressly informed the proposed defendant that it could provide any such exculpatory material to the court at this stage.

'Whilst the proposed defendant was not obliged to, he has tendered no such explanation or material.'

So..it's not so much that BJ may have been talking nonsense, or BS'ing, the claims seem to be that he effectively and knowingly deployed two sets of figures, depending on circumstances, and then when challenged he then dug a hole for himself when pressed for an explanation by refusing to cooperate......

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Old 29th May 2019, 14:12
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Heard on the wireless earlier today that the ultimate sanction for this could be life imprisonment if found guilty, though obviously highly unlikely. Would be interesting for a serving prime minister (if selected) to be in court for a criminal trial.
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Old 29th May 2019, 14:32
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“False and misleading...”. er, like the 500,000 unemployed Mr Osborne told us we’d have as an immediate consequence of the vote? Don’t get me wrong, I think Boris is a pratt but if we’re doing prosecutions we’ll need a lot of them.
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Old 29th May 2019, 14:54
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I believe that civil prosecutions only require less than 'beyond reasonable doubt'.
Bearing in mind the undoubted 'popularity' of the defendant, how will they acquire an unbiased jury?

I mean, if Boris was accused of a criminal act such as theft, even people who disliked or distrusted Boris would probably give him a fair hearing.

I guess that is what the lawyers will be paid for - let's see who has the cleverest QC.
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