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Old 28th May 2019, 10:31
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
It says nothing on that about voters might actually have been voting on other issues for the remain parties, economy, climate change, polution, plastics etc, you cannot simply clump them all together and say, this amount voted remain because you do not know that, nor do you know how many actually did..
Funny how Brexiteers have previously cited everyone who voted Labour and Tory at the 2017 election as supporting Brexit because both manifestos mentioned seeing through an orderly Brexit, but when the shoe is on the other foot.....
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Old 28th May 2019, 11:09
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I never did.. just the MP's all signed onboard article 50 to pull us out.
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Old 28th May 2019, 11:12
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Ashcroft observes that 89% of those who vote Leave still want to exit the EU. 89% of 51.89% = 46.2%. That is where we are today. Of course this excludes those deceased so most likely 55/45.
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Old 28th May 2019, 11:22
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Ashcroft observes that 89% of those who vote Leave still want to exit the EU. 89% of 51.89% = 46.2%. That is where we are today. Of course this excludes those deceased so most likely 55/45.
But the will of the people, dead or alive, was fixed on 24th June 2016 and cannot be challenged, let alone changed.
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Old 28th May 2019, 15:09
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I really don’t know how you keep on trying to twist the figures above to show a Remain majority - the pollsters asked those leav8ng the polling stations that very question - and it constitutes the text of the first paragraph from the report I post above.....

Please also note that the majority of those polled were those who voted Remain in the referendum (more turned out, and based on my experience because so many leavers were disillusioned and didn’t see the point). So if anything the majority for Leave could now in fact higher than shown below - hence why those pushing for a new referendum are so intent on making sure the question is loaded their way.

“Overall, 89 per cent of Euro-election voters who voted Leave still want Brexit to happen – 55 per cent of them with no deal – and seven per cent now say they want to remain. Meanwhile, 81 per cent of Remainers who voted last week say they still want to remain, with 15 per cent now saying the best outcome would be to leave.

Among all those voting in the European elections, 50 per cent said they had voted to Remain in the referendum and 45 per cent to Leave; now, 50 per cent said they wanted to leave, 46 per cent said they wanted to remain, and 4 per cent didn’t know.”
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Old 28th May 2019, 15:28
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Why all these arguments over numbers? They can't be used to change anything. Brexshit is going to happen, and if anyone has any energy left it should be directed to fending off the impending Corbyn led government.
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Old 28th May 2019, 15:49
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
... if anyone has any energy left it should be directed to fending off the impending Corbyn led government.
This morning I found myself wondering if a Corbyn-led government would be any worse than a Boris Johnson-led government. If push came to shove I'm inclined to think that Corbyn may well be the lesser of two evils. I doubt I'm alone in thinking that, either.

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Old 28th May 2019, 15:57
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Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa made my day

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48434842

Tony Blair's former spin doctor says he has been expelled from the Labour Party after voting for the Liberal Democrats in the European elections.
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Old 28th May 2019, 16:26
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Indeed, even taking into account the strength of competition within the current lot, you would struggle to find a more odious, lying little toe rag
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Old 28th May 2019, 17:05
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Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa made my day

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48434842
You probably won't be alone on here and there's more than a hint of irony given Corbyn's previous encounters with Blair weren't exactly amicable.

However, this may prove problematic for many on here.

The Beeb tends to generate somewhat impassioned and less than favourable comments form some contributors who are convinced the organisation is a dedicated hotbed of ( insert "ists " of choice here ) when it isn't......but that's JB for you. Consequently, the series of debates, catatonic though they may end up being, will surely be welcomed by those happily antagonistic to the Beeb !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48437124

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Old 28th May 2019, 17:18
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This morning I found myself wondering if a Corbyn-led government would be any worse than a Boris Johnson-led government. If push came to shove I'm inclined to think that Corbyn may well be the lesser of two evils. I doubt I'm alone in thinking that, either.
Have a look at the shadow cabinet and try that phrase again.
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Old 28th May 2019, 17:52
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
This morning I found myself wondering if a Corbyn-led government would be any worse than a Boris Johnson-led government. If push came to shove I'm inclined to think that Corbyn may well be the lesser of two evils. I doubt I'm alone in thinking that, either.
You're not!

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Old 28th May 2019, 18:06
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Of course this excludes those deceased so most likely 55/45.
You really are pinning your hopes on the departed.

There are plenty of younger leavers to replace them.
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Old 28th May 2019, 18:11
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
if anyone has any energy left it should be directed to fending off the impending Corbyn led government.
There can only be a Corbyn led government if

(1) there is a general election first, and
(2) Corbyn wins a seat in parliament.

It seems unlikely to me that he would countenance doing a chicken run to a safe seat ... and Islington voted Lib Dem last week. Do not underestimate our capacity to run a full-on by-election campaign at the same time as there's a general election on - every Lib Dem activist in the country would do at least one session in Islington, if only to be able to say "I was there". (OK, and for the cake.)
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Old 28th May 2019, 19:41
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
This morning I found myself wondering if a Corbyn-led government would be any worse than a Boris Johnson-led government. If push came to shove I'm inclined to think that Corbyn may well be the lesser of two evils. I doubt I'm alone in thinking that, either.
I'm sure you are not alone.
Which only serves one to consider what an appalling hole this country has fallen (jumped?) into.

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Old 28th May 2019, 19:47
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
There can only be a Corbyn led government if

(1) there is a general election first, and
(2) Corbyn wins a seat in parliament.

It seems unlikely to me that he would countenance doing a chicken run to a safe seat ... and Islington voted Lib Dem last week. Do not underestimate our capacity to run a full-on by-election campaign at the same time as there's a general election on - every Lib Dem activist in the country would do at least one session in Islington, if only to be able to say "I was there". (OK, and for the cake.)
Sorry GtW but the Euro election was, strangely enough, all about Brexit. If the next GE is after October 31st then you can forget those votes. But I think you know this.
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Old 28th May 2019, 19:53
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A JC government will be courtesy of the SNP and you know the price of that. Hopefully Boris won't stay the course: fine choice as the back end of a pantomime horse but not anywhere near power or a microphone.
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Old 28th May 2019, 20:00
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Old 28th May 2019, 20:31
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Sorry GtW but the Euro election was, strangely enough, all about Brexit. If the next GE is after October 31st then you can forget those votes. But I think you know this.
What's special about October 31st?
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Old 28th May 2019, 21:36
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What's special about October 31st?
Freedom Day!
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