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Old 24th May 2019, 22:02
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
It will only take whoever is PM five seconds to sign the #RevokeA50 letter that the civil servants will be keeping always within reach.
Sounds like political suicide, given that more people voted to leave than to stay (despite the very wishful thinking of the minority that clearly don't give a stuff about democracy, unless an outcome happens to align with their personal view).

Much as I thought that TM was a waste of space, I have to admire her for trying to seem to appear to support something she personally didn't agree with. Whether her own convictions exacerbated her downfall I'm less sure. I rather suspect that she accepted a poisoned chalice, perhaps because her own ambition overcame the logical course of action, which would have been to walk away.

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Old 24th May 2019, 22:20
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What gets me is all these politicians coming out the world over and patting her on the back, for what?, she has achieved none of the main goals and lost an election majority that was hers for the taking, her legacy..... what legacy, I came, I saw and I screwed it all up. As for her ministers, sycophants, the lot of them.
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Old 24th May 2019, 22:38
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I rather suspect that she accepted a poisoned chalice, perhaps because her own ambition overcame the logical course of action, which would have been to walk away.
Ah! - something we can totally agree on.
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Old 24th May 2019, 22:49
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Sky news press preview are slating her and that's being polite, destroying is closer to the truth, they do not have a good word for her and here legacy.
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Old 24th May 2019, 22:53
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I bet that no matter who gets in to the Tory Trap, they will last less time than May.
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Old 24th May 2019, 22:58
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ORAC,

Teddy Roosevelt's noble sentiments are all very fine but to directly apply them to the actions of Mrs May is specious, and in my view, a wholly inappropriate connection.

If Mrs May really believed in the democracy she purports to espouse, there can be no merit in habitually disregarding the legitimately expressed wish of the voting majority. Nor is there any honour to be had from clinging so desperately in the face of unprecedented humiliation to an untenable position. That this humiliation was personal is one thing; the national humiliation which she has brought upon us all is quite another. In respect of Brexit, that specific she doggedly reserved unto herself, being bereft of ideas and political formulation, she failed to comprehend almost every aspect of the matter, refused the counsel of others to whom she should have listened, accepted that which should have been viewed much more critically and sought to remain in office in spite of the demeaning opposition faced from her own party. In my judgement, she became obsessed with power and the trappings of her office, vide the chosen exit date. She is possessed of a morality thought superior to that of others - she is a vicar's daughter after all! - but has no personal interests outside politics; that's all she's ever done and is an impoverished character as a result.

There are those who will feel sorry for Theresa May and regard her as the innocent recipient of a chalice poisoned by David Cameron; she has been manfully struggling with the legacy ever since. She was keen enough to accept the position, but has done nothing other than dig the hole even deeper during her feeble administration. Because of her lack of personal authority and political conviction, she has allowed herself to be a pawn to numerous interests with the obvious consequences. There is no need to feel sorry for her - as soon as she strayed from the planks in her Lancaster House platform, the inevitability of things unravelling began. She has been the author of her own fall from grace but at least she has tumbled from the pinnacle of her vaulting ambition, the premiership, so may experience some contentment as she begins another and even more financially rewarding career on the lecture circuit..

Sic transit gloria mundae.
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Old 24th May 2019, 23:42
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Sic transit gloria mundae (also "sic").
I thought that translated as "Gloria Munday was sick in a Transit".

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Old 25th May 2019, 05:50
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Ch4 political podcast, well worth watching.

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Old 25th May 2019, 05:54
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Old 25th May 2019, 06:01
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The suggestion about Treeza embarking on a lucrative second career on the lecture circuit, quite reasonable and justified though this proposal would be with past senior politicians in mind, has, in her case, two glaring faults to negate this option. .

The first, is that she has nothing to offer to an audience. Her extended stay at the Home Office is her only notable political achievement and even that was mired in controversy. Why would an audience pay to listen to somebody who, in essence, has nothing to say or attract them in the first place.

The second is that whilst she can address a conference, she's never been comfortable away from the cocoon of Westminster and similar environments when it comes to speaking with, and to, the general public.

There again, if she teamed up with Dave, that would be an entertaining duo....still, with her new found song and dance artiste ability, maybe it's still not too late to get a booking somewhere for the Summer Season.

Sympathy for her ?......no. She took on the role for her personal vanity and she can hardly be described as being a political innocent, unaware of the factions and malignant influences within her own party.

Whoever succeeds her faces the same factions, no matter how much political promising / bluster / rhetoric they produce in order to become PM.

I know, it's the Guardian. But, it's impossible to dispute the editorial analysis.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...isonous-legacy

The toxicity of her tenure, and Brexit, is such, that, and, I admit the MSM are equally culpable here, other domestic policy and governance issues have been given only minimal coverage despite their significance. There is little chance of this changing with the leadership contest approaching allied, as we know, to the continued farrago.

Thankfully, to retain our sanity, the World Cup starts next week followed by the Ashes.

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Old 25th May 2019, 07:19
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
the World Cup starts next week followed by the Ashes.

Just when I thought things couldn't get any worse
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Old 25th May 2019, 07:40
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Sky news press preview are slating her and that's being polite, destroying is closer to the truth, they do not have a good word for her and here legacy.
What gets me is all these politicians coming out the world over and patting her on the back,
The difference is the latter hope that fellow members of the CLUB will not stab them in the back of when their time comes.
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Old 25th May 2019, 08:02
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Rory Stuart on the wireless this morning. I have to say that, for a Tory, he is very impressive. Honest and deeply intellectual he seems to offer exactly what the country needs. He also said that he wouldn't serve under Boris, another plus. I am pleased that he won't get the job, I would hate to have to consider voting Tory.
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Old 25th May 2019, 08:02
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And.... the Bamber ticket duly arrives.......

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/915203...boris-johnson/

Amber Rudd rules herself out of Tory leadership race…but hints she’d work with Boris Johnson
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Old 25th May 2019, 08:41
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Here's a bit of music to boost the morale of the Tory hopefuls / less...

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Old 25th May 2019, 09:05
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Thankfully, to retain our sanity, the World Cup starts next week followed by the Ashes.
You may wish to have your calendar adjusted, as the World Cup is not on for another 3 years. Or are you perhaps referring to the World Cup of rounders? No, sorry, that's the World Series. Must be needlepoint or basket weaving then.
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Old 25th May 2019, 09:27
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He means the game of hooligans played by gentlemen.
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Old 25th May 2019, 12:05
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Can we leave Australians out of this
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Old 25th May 2019, 14:20
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Apologies if is clear for others, been following in general only.

An extension for BREXIT negotiated/agreed with EU....check
Anything the "current" PM will present has no chance....yes?
It will be 2 month+ before there is a new PM/leader of the BREXIT process....yes?

Q: will, maybe more importantly, CAN any positive further progress on BREXIT occur whilst the present government sorts out its leadership issues....consequentially confirming or altering its directional issues after the leadership is decide?

Apologies if the talking heads on BBC/CNN have addressed and I've missed it.

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Old 25th May 2019, 16:03
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Maybe yes and no? If the leadership hopefuls are explicit about what they seek then perhaps we can finally have the honest discussion denied by the previous incumbents approach. There are a few foxes that need to be shot, certainly on trade issues. In the short term there are the EU election results to deal with. It is ironic that Dave's genius idea was to head off Farages hypnotic pull on conservative voters. So ironic it should have led us back to the starting point. It's either no brexit, no deal brexit or a customs union. No brexit would be the most dangerous. No deal brexit followed reasonably quickly with a customs union might be the only way we can get there sadly ( much easier just to go for a customs union now). Anyone who says no deal brexit must be off the table is likely to be a remainer in disguise, or a reality denier of which we have had enough.

So let's see how much honesty we get, as opposed to demagogics from one side or the other.
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