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Old 24th May 2019, 18:19
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Originally Posted by WilliumMate View Post
I voted about 1700 and for the first time I had to queue up. A quick glance at the poll clerk's sheet saw more names underlined than was the case when voting at a similar time in the recent local elections but still under 50% of the names.
Cambridge was 48%, more than a local but less than a general.

So who were these extra people who came out to vote?

I can guess, but I'll find out for sure on Sunday afternoon.
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Old 24th May 2019, 18:23
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
The collapse of the two main parties into the mid twenties could serve to breathe new life into the LD's with Remainers flocking to them.
I spent most of yesterday telling.

Apart from a couple of hours in the early afternoon, which were marked by two or three elderly white single males complaining that having to come out to vote was undemocratic, it was by far the most positive telling experience I've had (and I've done some every year this century).
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Old 24th May 2019, 18:41
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Gertrude: I believe that some EU nationals were entitled to vote and there's a on going dispute about those who though they were entitled to vote but denied at the polling station. When I voted the polling station was busy.
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Old 24th May 2019, 18:58
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
PN: I've heard it reported today by Beeb that she'll stay on as a caretaker during the 'ferrets-fighting-in-a-sack' show goes on. Can't point to a reference tho'.

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CG, confirmed on the news, unbelievable.
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Old 24th May 2019, 19:09
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Cambridge was 48%, more than a local but less than a general.

So who were these extra people who came out to vote?

I can guess, but I'll find out for sure on Sunday afternoon.
But optimistic there GTW. Polls in the final 21 countries don't close until 10PM Sunday with results after that. It didn't say if that was BST or East European time.

Don't wait up.

Regarding the count calculations, I believe ours will have votes fed into a computer. Unlike a local elections there is not a regional counting centre but the usual local centres. We were instructed to fold the ballot (9 groups) into three and ensure they were returned the same way, some weren't. They were then rammed in the box so no idea how they will come out.
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Old 24th May 2019, 19:41
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Originally Posted by CATIII-NDB View Post
Gertrude: I believe that some EU nationals were entitled to vote and there's a on going dispute about those who though they were entitled to vote but denied at the polling station. When I voted the polling station was busy.
There are many and varied ongoing disputes. Some of the ones that I suspect might have the best chance of success in court were ones who were told, in writing, "there is nothing else you have to do" and were then denied a vote.
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Old 24th May 2019, 19:43
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
But optimistic there GTW. Polls in the final 21 countries don't close until 10PM Sunday with results after that. It didn't say if that was BST or East European time.

Don't wait up.
For the national results to be published, sure. But I'll be at our local count, and the boxes are being opened at 5pm.
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Old 24th May 2019, 19:45
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
They were then rammed in the box so no idea how they will come out.
Sadly the ones I was watching last night came out of the box properly folded, and the staff had clearly been properly trained in unfolding them and counting them entirely face down, so that we couldn't see a thing. The odd one, OK, but you can't get reliable data from that.
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Old 24th May 2019, 20:14
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Here is an ad for a caretakers job, is it the sort of thing TM will be doing until someone is found on a permanent basis:

The Governors of Haughmond Federation are seeking to appoint a committed, enthusiastic and suitably qualified caretaker to work at Harlescott Junior School.

Harlescott Junior School is situated on the northern edge of Shrewsbury in Shropshire. The school has good transport links, being situated minutes from the A5 trunk road and the Shrewsbury by –pass. The school has 349 on roll in twelve classes.

The post holder will be capable of fulfilling a wide range of general duties, including some specialist work, locking up and maintenance duties on the school site.

The normal working hours will be: 3:30pm to 6:00pm

To meet the needs of the business start and finish times these may vary therefore the successful applicant will need to have a flexible approach to their work and additional hours may be required to accommodate school events such as parent’s evenings, discos and or small projects.

Job Type: Part-time

Salary: 5,505.71 /year
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Old 24th May 2019, 20:26
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Armchair critics, and I include myself, need not be so personally harsh.


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Old 24th May 2019, 20:45
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@PN. Yes same here, was just told to fold again and stuff it in.
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Old 24th May 2019, 21:01
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Please not Gove, he comes over as a slimy creepy character..

Still when TM leaves we might finally get some clarity, hopefully a genuine Brexiteer that will go back to the EU and actually negotiate a treaty and not simply roll over as TM did.

Now if only BoJo had become PM in 2016, as opposed to possibly becoming PM in 2019, Brexit would almost certainly have been done and dusted by now, and just think of what we could all have been spared. I'm not a huge fan, but one does not have to be a fan a candidate for high office, if one considers that surely what is required is to find the person most likely to achieve a given aim. Comparisons of BoJo with Churchill are stretching things a bit far, but then even the latter was not without his flaws.....

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Old 24th May 2019, 21:12
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
I could not get around the fact they have a deadline to adhere to but are all orf on their holidays between now and then
It will only take whoever is PM five seconds to sign the #RevokeA50 letter that the civil servants will be keeping always within reach.
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Old 24th May 2019, 21:41
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Now if only BoJo had become PM in 2016, ... etc.
... we could have looked forward to the exceptional standard of International success exemplified by his efforts on behalf of Mrs Zhagari Ratcliffe, perhaps.
Truly a world class negotiator!
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Old 24th May 2019, 22:02
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
It will only take whoever is PM five seconds to sign the #RevokeA50 letter that the civil servants will be keeping always within reach.
Sounds like political suicide, given that more people voted to leave than to stay (despite the very wishful thinking of the minority that clearly don't give a stuff about democracy, unless an outcome happens to align with their personal view).

Much as I thought that TM was a waste of space, I have to admire her for trying to seem to appear to support something she personally didn't agree with. Whether her own convictions exacerbated her downfall I'm less sure. I rather suspect that she accepted a poisoned chalice, perhaps because her own ambition overcame the logical course of action, which would have been to walk away.

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Old 24th May 2019, 22:20
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What gets me is all these politicians coming out the world over and patting her on the back, for what?, she has achieved none of the main goals and lost an election majority that was hers for the taking, her legacy..... what legacy, I came, I saw and I screwed it all up. As for her ministers, sycophants, the lot of them.
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Old 24th May 2019, 22:38
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I rather suspect that she accepted a poisoned chalice, perhaps because her own ambition overcame the logical course of action, which would have been to walk away.
Ah! - something we can totally agree on.
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Old 24th May 2019, 22:49
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Sky news press preview are slating her and that's being polite, destroying is closer to the truth, they do not have a good word for her and here legacy.
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Old 24th May 2019, 22:53
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I bet that no matter who gets in to the Tory Trap, they will last less time than May.
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Old 24th May 2019, 22:58
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ORAC,

Teddy Roosevelt's noble sentiments are all very fine but to directly apply them to the actions of Mrs May is specious, and in my view, a wholly inappropriate connection.

If Mrs May really believed in the democracy she purports to espouse, there can be no merit in habitually disregarding the legitimately expressed wish of the voting majority. Nor is there any honour to be had from clinging so desperately in the face of unprecedented humiliation to an untenable position. That this humiliation was personal is one thing; the national humiliation which she has brought upon us all is quite another. In respect of Brexit, that specific she doggedly reserved unto herself, being bereft of ideas and political formulation, she failed to comprehend almost every aspect of the matter, refused the counsel of others to whom she should have listened, accepted that which should have been viewed much more critically and sought to remain in office in spite of the demeaning opposition faced from her own party. In my judgement, she became obsessed with power and the trappings of her office, vide the chosen exit date. She is possessed of a morality thought superior to that of others - she is a vicar's daughter after all! - but has no personal interests outside politics; that's all she's ever done and is an impoverished character as a result.

There are those who will feel sorry for Theresa May and regard her as the innocent recipient of a chalice poisoned by David Cameron; she has been manfully struggling with the legacy ever since. She was keen enough to accept the position, but has done nothing other than dig the hole even deeper during her feeble administration. Because of her lack of personal authority and political conviction, she has allowed herself to be a pawn to numerous interests with the obvious consequences. There is no need to feel sorry for her - as soon as she strayed from the planks in her Lancaster House platform, the inevitability of things unravelling began. She has been the author of her own fall from grace but at least she has tumbled from the pinnacle of her vaulting ambition, the premiership, so may experience some contentment as she begins another and even more financially rewarding career on the lecture circuit..

Sic transit gloria mundae.
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