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Old 24th May 2019, 09:55
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Well, it remains to be seen whether her replacement can do a better job.
Only time will tell, problem for whoever takes over is the rest of the Westminster shower is unchanged and the hole they have dug themselves into they seem pretty entrenched and unwilling to climb out of, so it will make little difference to anything as they will continue to act and vote as they have for the past three years, I would love to be wrong but will not hold my breath on that one.
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Old 24th May 2019, 09:55
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Dressed in red too, perhaps she is thinking of swopping sides and destroying their party as well.
The Tory party has destroyed itself. May just chose to step into the middle of the battle.
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Old 24th May 2019, 10:02
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Dressed in red too, perhaps she is thinking of swopping sides and destroying their party as well.
Don't think they need any help TBH.
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Old 24th May 2019, 10:03
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Obviously, but she has set the bar very low. Strange such a poor politician could get so far. Next mystery, why is Boris viewed as a serious person? Fortunately he won't be the chosen one.
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Old 24th May 2019, 10:06
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Old 24th May 2019, 10:08
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Next mystery, why is Boris viewed as a serious person? Fortunately he won't be the chosen one.
Not according to the bookies - and most of the political commentators...
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Old 24th May 2019, 10:22
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They've had the chance to back him before. Next discussions, once the relief at getting rid of the political kamikaze machine, will be how to win the next election which means, given the calibre of the opposition, how not to lose it. Boris is too polarising a figure. TM managed to get to a position where a large chunk of her party's natural supporters found it impossible to vote for them. A staggering achievement. If someone can be found who can argue based on principled understanding of facts, and can articulate the options, we might get somewhere. A few brexit illusions are going to have to be shattered. Now the shape shifter has gone, we can but hope. Don't put your money on Boris.
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Old 24th May 2019, 10:30
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Well, whoever takes it on will get the poison chalice to deal with, unfortunately now though, it has had the foot snapped off.
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Old 24th May 2019, 10:38
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That Opinium poll makes interesting reading. I think though that even if the Brexit Party were to score 26% they would win only a handful of seats. The collapse of the two main parties into the mid twenties could serve to breathe new life into the LD's with Remainers flocking to them.
Ken Clarke gave a wonderfully satirical interview on R4. It summed up the state we are in. " It's not as if the country is any sort of crisis"....I am not all convinced that whoever takes over from Mrs May will achieve anything better. Dominic Grieve indicated on Newsnight that he is prepared to bring the government down should they go for NoDeal.
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Old 24th May 2019, 10:40
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Amazingly, there are people talking as if this has somehow solved things.
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Old 24th May 2019, 10:51
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If someone can be found who can argue based on principled understanding of facts, and can articulate the options, we might get somewhere.
The opportunity for that has passed. Politically we are now in the age of Trump, Orban, Macron, Salvini, Farage - and of course Corbyn . What is needed is someone who can take the latter two on in the present political arena.
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Old 24th May 2019, 11:22
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While the results of the EU Elections will not be available until early hours of Monday morning, it seems clear that the Brexit Party vote must have been sufficiently high to precipitate May's resignation. As to her successor, Boris Johnson comes across as a buffoon, but this is calculated persona designed to hide a razor sharp intellect. His link(s) to the USA will come in handy.

There are effectively only two options left, cancel Article 50 or, leave the EU with no deal. The electorate have made it clear on multiple occasions that leaving the EU is the single issue that concerns them. No deal Brexit is the only viable course of action despite MPs resistance to the idea.
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Old 24th May 2019, 11:37
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Were the tears a clue that there may be some human DNA in there after all?
Ummm - NO!! This may be regarded as sexist but the 'tears' are the standard reaction of a female who can't get her own way! It may be a product of DNA but it has been that way, in my experience, in all my dealings with the ladies.
The resignation speech was the usual collection of vomit-inducing lies, damned lies and (partial, in both senses) statistics. What was missing was any acknowledgement that she has wasted 3 years attempting to foist the wishes of less tha 30% of the population onto the remainder. Her successor (whoever it is) will continue this nonsense and even if there were to be a General Election, the potential offerings, Johnson, Corbyn, Farage et al demonstrate all the competence, intelligence and future-building of your average garden slug. Impressed, uplifted, spirite raised by today's events?? Not quite!!
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Old 24th May 2019, 11:56
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
Were the tears a clue that there may be some human DNA in there after all?
Ummm - NO!! This may be regarded as sexist but the 'tears' are the standard reaction of a female who can't get her own way! It may be a product of DNA but it has been that way, in my experience, in all my dealings with the ladies.
An independent observer might find some significance in the fact that you were the one common factor in all these tearful dealings.
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Old 24th May 2019, 12:41
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Just crying for herself and, hopefully, belated realisation of what a stuff up she made of it all. Called an unnecessary election from an initial winning position for her own advantage: lost seats and her working majority. Lost 1000+ council seats, a historic scale of loss. Arrogated the withdrawal agreement to herself and managed to get defeated by a historic margin in the house. Brought it back two more time: lost. Was pursuing a further attempt until the doctors arrived with the meds. Only left now because it was a straight choice of get kicked out or leave with a vestige of control and dignity now. And she fluffed that with her self pity. Now we have Sunday's results to fully cap her legacy. Could.not.make.this.up.

The well has sure been poisoned by this misguided human being. Now they have to find some grown ups in the dysfunctional bear pit.
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Old 24th May 2019, 12:47
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The audience member on Question Time last night nailed it on the head, if we had the referendum and the remainers won, would we be having these discussions now. Simple answer was no, everyone would have accepted it, so why has that not happened with leave.
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Old 24th May 2019, 12:57
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SallyAnn - Absolutely right ... he/she might do.Alternatively they might recognise the accuracy of the point made from having experienced similar. One would have to ask 'Is there a difference in the frequency of female tears as against male instances? and what sort of happenings provoke them? One can only remark on personal experience.
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Old 24th May 2019, 13:00
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Hang on. Perhaps it's because there is a myriad of interpretations of leave but remain is just one? Did any of the intellects on the programme point that out?
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Old 24th May 2019, 13:00
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The audience member on Question Time last night nailed it on the head, if we had the referendum and the remainers won, would we be having these discussions now. Simple answer was no, everyone would have accepted it, so why has that not happened with leave.
No "everyone" would not have accepted it, and yes we would still be having these discussions...and I say this because Nigel Farage himself was of that opinion in the run up to the 2016 referendum..he even nailed the percentages.

Nigel Farage warns today he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin next month.

The Ukip leader said a small defeat for his leave camp would be “unfinished business” and predicted pressure would grow for a re-run of the 23 June ballot.

Farage told the Mirror: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...rendum-7985017
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Old 24th May 2019, 13:09
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" The audience member on Question Time last night nailed it on the head, if we had the referendum and the remainers won, would we be having these discussions now. Simple answer was no, everyone would have accepted it, so why has that not happened with leave.
The difference would have been that such a result would have confirmed the status quo. The Leave vote indicated the wishes of approximately 38% of the voting population and approximately 29% of the total UK population. Its only validity was being a small majority of those who voted. Unsurprisingly, perhaps, those who did NOT vote to leave feel somewhat aggrieved by the attempts of a minority to 'railroad' them into a stupid situation which is a product solely of Chauvinistic (in its correct meaning) frenzy.
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