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Old 24th May 2019, 13:00
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
The audience member on Question Time last night nailed it on the head, if we had the referendum and the remainers won, would we be having these discussions now. Simple answer was no, everyone would have accepted it, so why has that not happened with leave.
No "everyone" would not have accepted it, and yes we would still be having these discussions...and I say this because Nigel Farage himself was of that opinion in the run up to the 2016 referendum..he even nailed the percentages.

Nigel Farage warns today he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin next month.

The Ukip leader said a small defeat for his leave camp would be “unfinished business” and predicted pressure would grow for a re-run of the 23 June ballot.

Farage told the Mirror: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...rendum-7985017
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Old 24th May 2019, 13:09
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" The audience member on Question Time last night nailed it on the head, if we had the referendum and the remainers won, would we be having these discussions now. Simple answer was no, everyone would have accepted it, so why has that not happened with leave.
The difference would have been that such a result would have confirmed the status quo. The Leave vote indicated the wishes of approximately 38% of the voting population and approximately 29% of the total UK population. Its only validity was being a small majority of those who voted. Unsurprisingly, perhaps, those who did NOT vote to leave feel somewhat aggrieved by the attempts of a minority to 'railroad' them into a stupid situation which is a product solely of Chauvinistic (in its correct meaning) frenzy.
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Old 24th May 2019, 13:24
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approximately 29% of the total UK population
I cannot see the relevance in that, in the UK we do not have mandatory voting, therefore you will never attain a high turn out in any vote and if you use that as an exapmle of why it should not be upheld, you couldn't justify any election result where the turnout is low.

The Leave vote indicated the wishes of approximately 38% of the voting population
And in the same light the remain indicated the wishes of even less of the voting population, that is how democracy works, you have a vote and the result it whatever it is, if you want to blame anyone, blame those that never bothered to vote.
But in saying that, pollsters arrive at their figures by asking a percentage of the population how they would vote to predict how the whole country would vote, so percentages of the population does not really come into it, the result would probably be the same.
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Old 24th May 2019, 13:38
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
I cannot see the relevance in that, in the UK we do not have mandatory voting, therefore you will never attain a high turn out in any vote and if you use that as an exapmle of why it should not be upheld, you couldn't justify any election result where the turnout is low.



And in the same light the remain indicated the wishes of even less of the voting population, that is how democracy works, you have a vote and the result it whatever it is, if you want to blame anyone, blame those that never bothered to vote.
But in saying that, pollsters arrive at their figures by asking a percentage of the population how they would vote to predict how the whole country would vote, so percentages of the population does not really come into it, the result would probably be the same.
That's very true.
Those who couldn't be bothered to turn out to vote on an issue of such vital importance are just as guilty as those who did turn up and voted to leave.
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Old 24th May 2019, 13:45
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
That's very true.
Those who couldn't be bothered to turn out to vote on an issue of such vital importance are just as guilty as those who did turn up and voted to leave.
Not suggesting you are assuming, but equally one can not assume that all those that didn't vote would have voted remain.
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Old 24th May 2019, 14:00
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Originally Posted by Groundbased View Post
Not suggesting you are assuming, but equally one can not assume that all those that didn't vote would have voted remain.
If there was a smiley for "tongue in cheek" I would have used it.
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Old 24th May 2019, 14:09
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There was talk yesterday of a caretaker leader, one who was not in the leadership contest. It was said that with so many declared and potential candidates it would be difficult finding a suitably qualified stand in.

Anyone heard any more?
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Old 24th May 2019, 14:28
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PN: I've heard it reported today by Beeb that she'll stay on as a caretaker during the 'ferrets-fighting-in-a-sack' show goes on. Can't point to a reference tho'.

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Old 24th May 2019, 14:40
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What galls me about this whole situation is this; My country needs to have a government to take care of business, do things in our interests etc. Just because the Tory party is full of PM wannabes who want the top job, along with huge perks, good salary & pension etc (Oh, and perhaps a mention in Wikipedia to show their grand children), the nation can now effectively look forward to some months of having no government. Certainly, the politicians will turn up at Westminster when required, they will add to the hot air rising from that place, they will continue to draw salaries and expenses etc while the country has no effective government.
Isn't it time the rules were changed to the effect that, if a party has internal political problems, they must elect a new leader/PM before the incumbent gets away? In effect the incoming clot can stand on the steps of Downing St. where the outgoing failure can say words to the effect of "You have control; here's the keys".
And I don't want to hear the repeated party mantra of "It will take a couple of weeks to organise a new ballot, followed by a canvass of the constituency parties, followed by this, that or the other. That may have been unavoidable in the 18th century when a man had to ride a horse to the outermost reaches of the country, clutching a piece of paper etc.
Within a second or two of my pressing "Post" here, my words will be there for all to see (well, all those who want to see!). I am not suggesting the whole nation should subscribe to PPRuNe but mass media and postal communications have made things a little quicker than they once were. Even Royal Mail generally get mail from one end of the country to the other overnight! So, offer the constituency parties on line voting, throw in a couple of days for printing postal ballots and a couple of days for the Royal Mail round trip and the whole thing can be done in a week!
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Old 24th May 2019, 14:56
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I could not get around the fact they have a deadline to adhere to but are all orf on their holidays between now and then
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Old 24th May 2019, 15:19
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There was talk yesterday of a caretaker leader, one who was not in the leadership contest. It was said that with so many declared and potential candidates it would be difficult finding a suitably qualified stand in.

Anyone heard any more?
”A Conservative party leadership contest would follow and she would act as a caretaker prime minister during that period until her successor was in place, she announced.“
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Old 24th May 2019, 15:43
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Leadership Election!!!

There is a leadership election under way in the House of Commons!!

No, not that one - that doesn’t start till after 7th June......

https://order-order.com/2019/05/24/v...hip-july-23rd/

Another leadership departure timetable set out today, meaning the Lib Dem leadership race will be entirely overshadowed by the Tory one, much as the announcement today is. Cable’s successor could conceivably even be crowned on the same day as Theresa May’s......
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Old 24th May 2019, 15:49
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Timescale for the election from CCHQ
After the Prime Minister has resigned as Leader of the Conservative Party, we will begin the process to elect a new Leader. The timetable for this is set by the Executive of the 1922 Committee after consultation with the Party Board, which includes representatives of the voluntary, Parliamentary and professional party. We intend that the Parliamentary stages of the contest – which involves determining the final choice of candidates to put before all members of the party – should begin with the close of nominations in the week commencing 10 June.

Successive rounds of voting will take place until a final choice of candidates to put to a vote of all party members is determined. We expect that process to be concluded by the end of June, allowing for a series of hustings around the UK for members to meet and question the candidates, then cast their votes in time for the result to be announced before Parliament rises for the summer.
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Old 24th May 2019, 15:52
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Another leadership departure timetable set out today, meaning the Lib Dem leadership race will be entirely overshadowed by the Tory one, much as the announcement today is. Cable’s successor could conceivably even be crowned on the same day as Theresa May’s...…

Perhaps Labour should join in too and try to salvage some credibility.
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Old 24th May 2019, 15:59
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The DUP deputy leader, Nigel Dodds, wished Mrs May well.

And with luck the next PM will be wishing them a farewell, never should so few have held this Country to ransom, took the monies but welshed on the deal, and I apologise to the Welsh.
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Old 24th May 2019, 16:02
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And Change UK can decide who their’s is.......
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Old 24th May 2019, 16:09
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Does this mean the SNP or the greens are the most stable/united parties in the UK just now??
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Old 24th May 2019, 16:12
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Or possibly the Brexit party....
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Old 24th May 2019, 16:35
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
What galls me about this whole situation is this; My country needs to have a government to take care of business, do things in our interests etc. Just because the Tory party is full of PM wannabes who want the top job, along with huge perks, good salary & pension etc (Oh, and perhaps a mention in Wikipedia to show their grand children), the nation can now effectively look forward to some months of having no government....
Will anyone notice any difference?
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Old 24th May 2019, 16:58
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Here is what Brandon Lewis has circulated to members of the Conservative Party:

This morning the Prime Minister announced her intention to resign as Leader of the Conservative & Unionist Party on Friday 7 June. We are saddened by her decision but understand it, and thank her for her years of service to our Party and our nation, not just as Prime Minister but over many decades before that. As an activist, a councillor, a devoted constituency MP, a loyal member of the Shadow Cabinet in our long years of opposition, our first female Party Chairman, as a bold and reforming Home Secretary, and throughout her time as our nation’s second female Prime Minister, she has shown great dedication, courage and tenacity. She embodies the finest qualities of public service and, with this decision, has once again demonstrated her strong sense of duty and devotion to the national interest.

Entirely predictable of course, that we should now drown in the flood of crocodile tears accompanying (with echoes of Hugh Gaitskell) the announced departure of the Prime Minister. But one has to wonder why Lewis's paragon of virtuous deportment has so cruelly been used by the unanimity of her cabinet colleagues, fellow MPs, the Conservative party and the country as a whole. Have we all been so blind as to have failed to recognise the sterling qualities enumerated in this fulsome eulogy? How did we mistake her stoic perseverance and inspired tenacity, her resolute determination to see things through as blind, pig-headed obstinacy? Why did we suppose her repeated (and the last, aborted) attempts to secure the only acceptable (to her) Brexit outcome were a practical demonstration of Einstein's definition of stupidity? And why do we so demean ourselves to imagine that her departure date has been chosen to permit her a final demonstration of her unbridled personal ambition, basking in the kudos reflected by the US President?

I fear[/SPOILER] hope we shall not see her like again. But I really doubt that, judging the selection of wannabes snapping at her heels, that we are likely to be served any better in the immediate future.

Stand by for a wholesale revision of history.

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