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Old 22nd May 2019, 05:56
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Speaking of Nige, he's been , for Nige, decidedly reticent to answer a few questions recently. For such a fervent supporter of democracy, well ok, Nige's version which may well bear not even the remotest similarity to everybody else's understanding apart from those voting for him, refusing to talk to C4 News isn't what you would expect when transparency is closely aligned to democracy ......

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Old 22nd May 2019, 07:00
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From POLITICO, depressing......

About to go viral: If you want an idea of what under-fire Tory MPs are now having to contend with, watch this long and bleak BBC Wales footage of Tory MP David T.C. Davies — an ardent Brexiteer — being berated as a “snowflake” by a mindless pro-Brexit campaigner on College Green. To his credit, he handles it very well. But this might just be the most depressing thing you’ll watch today.

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Old 22nd May 2019, 07:08
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Last poll before the election.

Brexit 37%, LibDem 19%, Labour 13%, Green 12%, Conservative 7%, Change UK, 4%, UKIP 3%, Others 2%, Plaid Cymru 1%.

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Old 22nd May 2019, 07:13
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
I really find it very surprising that some dreadful, misogynistic old guard Labour supporter hasn't voiced the opinion that, after Margaret Thatcher and Teresa May, British political leadership politics had better run all male shortlists for the foreseeable future.
...And yet here we are, out of the blue, without provocation, you express your opinions about an idea that has not been suggested by either side of the political divide here;

Is the idea of all male shortlists something that interests you?
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Old 22nd May 2019, 07:14
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Again from POLITICO.....

The agonies of Theresa May and the wider Tory party mean the leadership contest takes a back seat today, bar an interesting story in the Mail by Jack Doyle. He reports ex-Defense Secretary Gavin Williamson has found the best possible way to take revenge on Theresa May — by working to get Boris Johnson into No. 10.

“Mr Williamson is not yet making a public endorsement,” Doyle writes, “but sources said he was playing an active role in bringing MPs into the Boris camp. Allies of Mr Johnson hope the recruitment of the former chief whip — who is well known for his organizational skills and network of supportive MPs — could yet prove a critical factor in the leadership race.”
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Old 22nd May 2019, 07:32
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48351281

British ex-pats living in France whinging because they haven't had their postal vote for the EU elections, where evidently they wanted to vote in a UK region in which they aren't resident.

My, perhaps incorrect understanding of the electorate for the EU Parliament election includes EU residents, but not citizens of each member state. If that be the case, why aren't British citizens living in France, or anywhere else in the EU voting in their local constituency. I really don't see what business it is of their's voting for European representatives in a constituency in which they do not live, they should be voting in the region / constituency where they live.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 07:44
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The attitude today amongst Conservative MPs.....

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Old 22nd May 2019, 07:47
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"Mr Williamson is not yet making a public endorsement,” Doyle writes, “but sources said he was playing an active role in bringing MPs into the Boris camp. Allies of Mr Johnson hope the recruitment of the former chief whip — who is well known for his organizational skills and network of supportive MPs — could yet prove a critical factor in the leadership race.”"

Wonder why any reference to his diplomatic and communication skills seems to be strangely absent from this glowing testimonial ......




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Old 22nd May 2019, 07:57
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When we lived and worked in Spain there were many ex-pat retirees living in the community. A lot of them were keeping under the radar. Paying no local taxes, living in long term rentals with all bills paid by the owner on their behalf. Presenting themselves at local clinics/hospitals when ill posing as tourists clutching their EHIC card. Patronising UK owned bars and shops and claiming proudly that they don't have to speak the language. Guess who screamed the loudest when the UK voted leave? It wasn't the ones that had done things properly, obtained a NIE number, registered their residency, contributed to the community and enjoyed all the benefits of such when they needed to.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 08:06
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Originally Posted by WilliumMate View Post
When we lived and worked in Spain there were many ex-pat retirees living in the community. A lot of them were keeping under the radar. Paying no local taxes, living in long term rentals with all bills paid by the owner on their behalf. Presenting themselves at local clinics/hospitals when ill posing as tourists clutching their EHIC card. Patronising UK owned bars and shops and claiming proudly that they don't have to speak the language. Guess who screamed the loudest when the UK voted leave? It wasn't the ones that had done things properly, obtained a NIE number, registered their residency, contributed to the community and enjoyed all the benefits of such when they needed to.
That is both shocking, and totally unacceptable behaviour by expats.

Imagine for a moment if there were Poles, Romanian, Slovaks etc doing just that in UK. Can you imagine the outcry from the usual suspects in the print media, not mention the (quite justifiable) indignation of many member of the British public? Hypocrisy doesn't even do it justice!
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Old 22nd May 2019, 08:38
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
.... Last poll before the election.

Brexit 37%, LibDem 19%, Labour 13%, Green 12%, Conservative 7%, Change UK, 4%, UKIP 3%, Others 2%, Plaid Cymru 1%. ....



No surprises there I think. It's become quite clear that the EU MEP elections in the UK are simply a re-run of the 2016 referendum but with a better informed electorate. The UK electorate simply see this as a one issue vote in which case you can vote for:

1. Conservative - don't know whether they want to leave or not.
2. Labour - won't tell you whether they want to leave or not.
3. Lib Dem - definitely want to remain in the EU.
4. Brexit party - definitely want to leave the EU with no deal.
5. Other parties - wasted vote.


So if you're are a remainer or leaver you're going to vote Lib Dem or Brexit and that's what's it all about. It will be very interesting how the final outcome is spun by leave and remain cohorts.

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Old 22nd May 2019, 08:54
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Originally Posted by Chronus View Post
Here is a wish. If only the mods would revive our old Brexit thread and let PACE back in.

PACE if you are still with us knock once.
There is a person posting in this thread with remarkably similar rantings,albeit with a different username......
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Old 22nd May 2019, 08:59
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Originally Posted by StAn gelo View Post
There is a person posting in this thread with remarkably similar rantings,albeit with a different username......

... is this person trying to keep us 'honest'?
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Old 22nd May 2019, 11:24
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British immigrants to EU countries and voting...

Like others here I have no time at all for the devious ******* who try it on by staying under the radar in an EU27 country but also avail themselves of local benefits such as schooling, healthcare or tax "efficiencies". In particular there is a special place in Hell (cf. Donald Tusk) for the vocal Brexiters that try that game on, i.e. the one's who are happy to use FOM for travel/residency and thereby enjoy the attractive local tax deals available in some countries but also happy to tell you how Mr Smith should be running the country how wonderful Mr Farage is.......there..got that off my chest, sorry for the rant.

Now as to the comment that::

.If that be the case, why aren't British citizens living in France, or anywhere else in the EU voting in their local constituency.
I don't know the history behind the rules but UK emigrants properly documented as being resident to an EU27 nation usually have a choice as to whether to vote in the UK ( assuming they have been abroad < 15 years) for elections or being registered locally..that is certainly the case in France ( though you don't eventually automatically get the right to vote in say a French GE or Presidential Election, that's reserved for the "locals").

After the 15 year point they loose the right to Vote in the UK.

TBF however to some of the current complainants the fact they haven't received postal votes may not be down to them doing something underhand. They may well be eligible to vote in the UK (15 year rule, etc) but sad to say the UK postal votes system can sometimes been horribly slow and on occasions not fit for purpose.

Personally if an individual is still paying UK Tax and are within the 15 year window then I don't have a problem with them voting in a UK election..( back to the old chestnut of taxation & representation)

FWIW at chez nous we have our polling cards...we will be voting locally.

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Old 22nd May 2019, 11:38
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post


No surprises there I think. It's become quite clear that the EU MEP elections in the UK are simply a re-run of the 2016 referendum but with a better informed electorate. The UK electorate simply see this as a one issue vote in which case you can vote for:

1. Conservative - don't know whether they want to leave or not.
2. Labour - won't tell you whether they want to leave or not.
3. Lib Dem - definitely want to remain in the EU.
4. Brexit party - definitely want to leave the EU with no deal.
5. Other parties - wasted vote.


So if you're are a remainer or leaver you're going to vote Lib Dem or Brexit and that's what's it all about. It will be very interesting how the final outcome is spun by leave and remain cohorts.
What about the 4 other parties, and some independent candidates,, who all 'definitely want to remain in the EU' ?
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Old 22nd May 2019, 12:40
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
What about the 4 other parties, and some independent candidates,, who all 'definitely want to remain in the EU' ?
Indeed, what about them?, fecked if I know.
What does your crystal ball say Sally?
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Old 22nd May 2019, 12:47
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
What about the 4 other parties, and some independent candidates,, who all 'definitely want to remain in the EU' ?
Happy to change number five to "5. - Other Parties - definitely want to remain the EU." My table was based on those parties likely to garner significant votes, I was half tempted to leave off the Conservative Party.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 13:13
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
Happy to change number five to "5. - Other Parties - definitely want to remain the EU." My table was based on those parties likely to garner significant votes, I was half tempted to leave off the Conservative Party.
Ah yes, the Conservative Party. I remember when I used to vote for them.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 14:50
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
What about the 4 other parties, and some independent candidates,, who all 'definitely want to remain in the EU' ?
Simple Sally, they would probably not get 10% or more votes. In our region one independent group has 5 candidates. If they feature at all they % is negligible. I know the lead candidate of this group. I only found out from someone that he had won a District Council seat. I looked him up and found he was standing for the EU. I then heard him on local radio; he had the death slot - first day with others no doubt vying for today's final slot.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 15:31
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Ah yes, the Conservative Party. I remember when I used to vote for them.
​​​​​​​ah yes, the Labour Party. I remember when I used to vote for them.
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