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Old 22nd May 2019, 11:24
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British immigrants to EU countries and voting...

Like others here I have no time at all for the devious ******* who try it on by staying under the radar in an EU27 country but also avail themselves of local benefits such as schooling, healthcare or tax "efficiencies". In particular there is a special place in Hell (cf. Donald Tusk) for the vocal Brexiters that try that game on, i.e. the one's who are happy to use FOM for travel/residency and thereby enjoy the attractive local tax deals available in some countries but also happy to tell you how Mr Smith should be running the country how wonderful Mr Farage is.......there..got that off my chest, sorry for the rant.

Now as to the comment that::

.If that be the case, why aren't British citizens living in France, or anywhere else in the EU voting in their local constituency.
I don't know the history behind the rules but UK emigrants properly documented as being resident to an EU27 nation usually have a choice as to whether to vote in the UK ( assuming they have been abroad < 15 years) for elections or being registered locally..that is certainly the case in France ( though you don't eventually automatically get the right to vote in say a French GE or Presidential Election, that's reserved for the "locals").

After the 15 year point they loose the right to Vote in the UK.

TBF however to some of the current complainants the fact they haven't received postal votes may not be down to them doing something underhand. They may well be eligible to vote in the UK (15 year rule, etc) but sad to say the UK postal votes system can sometimes been horribly slow and on occasions not fit for purpose.

Personally if an individual is still paying UK Tax and are within the 15 year window then I don't have a problem with them voting in a UK election..( back to the old chestnut of taxation & representation)

FWIW at chez nous we have our polling cards...we will be voting locally.

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Old 22nd May 2019, 11:38
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post


No surprises there I think. It's become quite clear that the EU MEP elections in the UK are simply a re-run of the 2016 referendum but with a better informed electorate. The UK electorate simply see this as a one issue vote in which case you can vote for:

1. Conservative - don't know whether they want to leave or not.
2. Labour - won't tell you whether they want to leave or not.
3. Lib Dem - definitely want to remain in the EU.
4. Brexit party - definitely want to leave the EU with no deal.
5. Other parties - wasted vote.


So if you're are a remainer or leaver you're going to vote Lib Dem or Brexit and that's what's it all about. It will be very interesting how the final outcome is spun by leave and remain cohorts.
What about the 4 other parties, and some independent candidates,, who all 'definitely want to remain in the EU' ?
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Old 22nd May 2019, 12:40
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
What about the 4 other parties, and some independent candidates,, who all 'definitely want to remain in the EU' ?
Indeed, what about them?, fecked if I know.
What does your crystal ball say Sally?
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Old 22nd May 2019, 12:47
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
What about the 4 other parties, and some independent candidates,, who all 'definitely want to remain in the EU' ?
Happy to change number five to "5. - Other Parties - definitely want to remain the EU." My table was based on those parties likely to garner significant votes, I was half tempted to leave off the Conservative Party.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 13:13
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
Happy to change number five to "5. - Other Parties - definitely want to remain the EU." My table was based on those parties likely to garner significant votes, I was half tempted to leave off the Conservative Party.
Ah yes, the Conservative Party. I remember when I used to vote for them.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 14:50
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
What about the 4 other parties, and some independent candidates,, who all 'definitely want to remain in the EU' ?
Simple Sally, they would probably not get 10% or more votes. In our region one independent group has 5 candidates. If they feature at all they % is negligible. I know the lead candidate of this group. I only found out from someone that he had won a District Council seat. I looked him up and found he was standing for the EU. I then heard him on local radio; he had the death slot - first day with others no doubt vying for today's final slot.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 15:31
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Ah yes, the Conservative Party. I remember when I used to vote for them.
​​​​​​​ah yes, the Labour Party. I remember when I used to vote for them.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 15:34
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Simple Sally, they would probably not get 10% or more votes. In our region one independent group has 5 candidates. If they feature at all they % is negligible. I know the lead candidate of this group. I only found out from someone that he had won a District Council seat. I looked him up and found he was standing for the EU. I then heard him on local radio; he had the death slot - first day with others no doubt vying for today's final slot.
I never said the other parties had a chance, only that they had been left off a numbered definitive list as if they did not exist.
The list as amended is now correct.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 15:46
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Numerous tweets from correspondents saying at least 4 cabinet ministers have arranged to see TM this afternoon and claiming offers of referendum and customs union in yesterday’s speech were not agreed at yesterday’s cabinet meeting.

Multiple possible resignations in the cards cards as many members saying any cabinet minister who did agree has no chance in election for next leader.

Also rumours 22 Committee executive meeting to change rules to allow immediate vote to elect new leader.

TM could be gone before the end of the day - especially after ConservativeHome advised all members to abstain in EU election if she was still in place tomorrow....




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Old 22nd May 2019, 18:54
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Andrea Leadsom resigns.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 19:13
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We talk of decapitation; what would happen should the Cabinet, baring one or two, resign? A leader without any followers . . .
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Old 22nd May 2019, 19:24
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Old 22nd May 2019, 19:44
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There is a person posting in this thread with remarkably similar rantings,albeit with a different username......
That`s good to hear. I will pack my ouija board away.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 21:14
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We talk of decapitation; what would happen should the Cabinet, baring one or two, resign? A leader without any followers . . .
Had something vaguely similar at college.

The JCR committee kept wittering on about some commie campaign or other that they thought the JCR ought to be interested in, so the JCR mandated the lot of them to attend the demo.

Whoops. As the committee were all in their third year, and actually quite keen on passing their exams, they weren't very keen on being forced to take a day off revision to go to some demo. So, because they were refusing to do what the meeting mandated, they had to resign.

All of them.

Which made calling new elections, as needed to elect their replacements, tricky, because calling an out-of-sequence election had, according to the constitution, to be agreed by the committee ... and there wasn't one.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 21:20
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The departure of the leader of the Extreme Tupperware Party, Westminster faction, is going to lead to some interesting telly in the morning. Doesn't Mrs Leadsom present Parliamentary Business questions on a Thursday morning? And wouldn't that normally provide the opportunity for Mrs Leadsom to introduce stuff on behalf of the Prime Minister? Stuff such as the Withdrawal Agreement Bill?
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Old 22nd May 2019, 21:57
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
The departure of the leader of the Extreme Tupperware Party, Westminster faction, is going to lead to some interesting telly in the morning. Doesn't Mrs Leadsom present Parliamentary Business questions on a Thursday morning? And wouldn't that normally provide the opportunity for Mrs Leadsom to introduce stuff on behalf of the Prime Minister? Stuff such as the Withdrawal Agreement Bill?
Thats one of her published reasons for leaving - she doesn't want to present a bill she fundamentally disagrees with. No doubt there is a deputy to do it.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 07:20
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With the Marxists poised to attain power in the UK, you have to look at the wreckage of the Conservative Party, the atrocious state of the country's morale and wonder whether Theresa May isn't the finest deep cover agent the Russians have ever had.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 07:46
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However much one might criticise May, and you won't find me at the back of the queue, the fact is that whoever was in that position would still be trapped between the two irreconcilable wings of the Tory party.
Taking over from Cameron was what I believe is called a hospital pass.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 08:02
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
With the Marxists poised to attain power in the UK, you have to look at the wreckage of the Conservative Party, the atrocious state of the country's morale and wonder whether Theresa May isn't the finest deep cover agent the Russians have ever had.
Oh Dear, what Time Warp did you fall out of??? Putin may be many things but a Marxist is not one of them.

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Old 23rd May 2019, 08:16
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
However much one might criticise May, and you won't find me at the back of the queue, the fact is that whoever was in that position would still be trapped between the two irreconcilable wings of the Tory party.
Taking over from Cameron was what I believe is called a hospital pass.
Whilst it would be fair to say any sympathy I have for Treeza is non existent, in principle I would agree with your assessment. Equally, nobody, as far as we know, actually forced Treeza to apply in the first place.

As you mentioned Dave though, it will be interesting as I may have mentioned before, as to how his departure is covered, or spun, in Dave's Big Book of Achievements, still, as yet, unpublished.....wonder why that might be ?

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