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Old 4th May 2019, 15:23
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
What about Parish Councils?

I can understand the themes persisting when managing cities, but rural village management usually requires apolitical handling.
Exactly, taking party into Parish is a recipe for dissent and disruption. Our parish is two short. I would have stood but was already appointed as a poll clerk. I expect to be asked if I can be coopted.

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Old 4th May 2019, 18:16
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Exactly, taking party into Parish is a recipe for dissent and disruption. Our parish is two short. I would have stood but was already appointed as a poll clerk. I expect to be asked if I can be coopted.
Ah, such modesty !.....however, should you succeed in being appointed, do you not think this could be a shade problematic ?

Suppose you were seated next to, say, a person engaged in the livestock agricultural sector, for example, or, encountered somebody whose views did not meet with your approval and thus, thanks to technology, you could ignore but which is a bit more difficult when you are in the same room. Equally, suppose a member of the opposite sex is on the council, a lady whose features you felt could never be enhanced even with the addition of two items usually used to carry products in.....and she was sat opposite you !

Parish Councils clearly attract an eclectic range of the local community.

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Old 4th May 2019, 18:55
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the absolute media bias in Uk is well illustrated by todays Daily Mail headline along the lines of the message is get on with Brexit.

But is it, i know truth and the Mail are strangers but while some may have voted on those lines the party that did the best out of the dissatisfaction with major parties was the Lib Dems who were easily the biggest gainers. They of course are 100% Remain and 100% pro second referendum and make no secret of it. So, any logical analysis of the vote would suggest not get on with Brexit but get rid of Brexit ,of course the mail would say vote for Brexit if it meant the death of half the population let alone mere poverty so what can you expect but it does show the eyent to which the media lie to press the views of their management

Even in Childcatcher Moggs constituency the Lib Dems routed the Tories and no one can say he hasn't pushed hard for Brexit in the sternest terms so there is no point in protesting against him is there if you are a dyed in the wool quitter so what does that tell you about people in his own area .
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Old 4th May 2019, 19:34
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OTOH I do.

It was quite clear that a number of voters, including those with many winters before them, were annoyed at the lack of candidates. It was probably the perfect time to stand as an Independent.
it might surprise you but quite a number of seats in the Midlands only actually had one name on the ballot sheet to vote for, thus no competition
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Old 4th May 2019, 19:34
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
... Even worse it has spawned parties and people of the type our parents and grandparents fought against in WW2 , what on earth would they think of idiots and liars like Farage and Johnson and Rees Mogg edging us ever closure to right wing extremism ...
Methinks that you have never seen real right wing extremism face to face. I can assure you that the names that you mention are a 'million miles' from real right wing extremists! But then if your starting ground is somewhere on the left, then anything 'right' is extremist. Just the same as when I lived in a genuinely right wing society and moderates (like liberals!) were considered to be real lefties. I think that you would find that 'our parents and grandparents' though more along the lines of "Farage and Johnson and Rees Mogg" while they fought against those real right wingers in WW2!!
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Old 4th May 2019, 19:40
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Old 4th May 2019, 20:09
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post

Even in Childcatcher Moggs constituency
Oh FFS stop posting such Nonsense

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Old 4th May 2019, 21:06
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
some may have voted on those lines the party that did the best out of the dissatisfaction with major parties was the Lib Dems who were easily the biggest gainers. They of course are 100% Remain and 100% pro second referendum and make no secret of it. So, any logical analysis of the vote would suggest not get on with Brexit but get rid of Brexit ,
I tend to agree about the mail but I think you credit voters with too much logic. I think the predominant reason for voting LD was not to vote for Lab or Con.
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Old 4th May 2019, 21:30
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
I tend to agree about the mail but I think you credit voters with too much logic. I think the predominant reason for voting LD was not to vote for Lab or Con.
The panic-stricken #brexshitters seem to be following the following logic:

(1) All the #brexshit parties lost seats
(2) All the remain parties gained seats
(3) This means that the voters are pissed off that we haven't achieved #brexit

Do these people ever listen to themselves?
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Old 4th May 2019, 22:04
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One major flaw in your analysis, there weren’t any Brexit supporting parties in the eyes of those supporting leave.
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Old 4th May 2019, 22:08
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...up-brexit-deal

Anger grows at May-Corbyn bid to stitch up Brexit deal

Last-ditch efforts by Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn to strike a compromise on Brexit looked doomed on Saturday as the party leaders faced mounting revolts from their own MPs and activists.

Following Thursday’s local elections, in which both the Conservatives and Labour were punished severely by voters for failing to break the political deadlock, May and Corbyn have insisted their parties must now urgently agree a way forward in cross-party talks which will resume on Tuesday. On Saturday the prime minister reiterated her appeal, saying: “We have to find a way to break the deadlock. I believe the results of the local elections give fresh urgency to this.”

But opposition MPs and Tory Brexiters warned any deal the leadership teams stitch up behind the scenes would face inevitable defeat in parliament and cause more acrimony in the parties.

The Observer can reveal that 104 opposition MPs, mainly from Labour but also SNP, Change UK, Green and Plaid Cymru, have written to May and Corbyn insisting they will not back a “Westminster stitch-up” unless there is a firm guarantee that any deal is then put to a confirmatory referendum. The MPs say: “The very worst thing we could do at this time is a Westminster stitch-up whether over the PM’s deal or another deal. This risks alienating both those who voted leave in 2016 and those who voted remain.” They say that, “whatever the deal” is, it must be the subject of another referendum so voters can have the “final say”.

Separately, senior Tory MPs insisted that any deal struck with Labour that involved anything close to a customs union – Corbyn’s central demand in the talks – would be rejected by more than 100 of the party’s MPs, who would see it as a betrayal of May’s promises on Brexit. Nigel Evans, executive secretary of the 1922 Committee of Tory backbenchers, said: “If there is a compromise that turns out to be a kind of ‘Brexit in name only’ involving anything close to a customs union there would be more than 100 Tory MPs who would never support it, particularly following the local elections.” Another member of the 1922 executive said that, even if a cross-party deal were) struck that could command the support of two thirds of Labour MPs, it would then be likely to be opposed by two thirds of Tory backbenchers......
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Old 4th May 2019, 23:20
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Anger grows at May-Corbyn bid to stitch up Brexit deal
And why do they want to stitch up such a deal?

Because, if there's one thing that Labour and Tories agree on, and will do anything at all to preserve, no matter what the cost[#], it's that the two party system must not be replaced by a multi-party democracy. Which Thursday's result appears to threaten, so they think they have to do a deal to get #brexshit sorted before 23 May in order to see off this challenge and not have it reinforced by the EU election result.

[#] Recall that last time there was a serious threat to the two party system Thatcher had to engineer a war (a war FFS, with hundreds[*] dead!) in order to put the Alliance back in its box.
[*] Yes I know there are claims that #brexshit will involve many more deaths than that, but people dying of lack of doctors or drugs, of pollution once the environmental safety regulations go, of food poisoning once we have to accept US standards of food hygiene, ect ect, are rather less obvious than soldiers being burned to death in a sea of burning oil. But they'll be just as dead.
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Old 5th May 2019, 00:00
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Old 5th May 2019, 05:48
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Must give Treeza a warm, happy, fuzzy glow inside as she goes to bed at night knowing her fellow incompetents are staunchly behind her......

However, she should heed the voice of experience here.....and the irony. Some may recall the dynamic leadership displayed by IDS bears a very close resemblance to that of Treeza......hence the reason he was summarily booted out as a liability.....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-duncan-smith

Here's his abiding impression of a 3 yr old having just got his own way.....also contains George and his benevolence, Dave ( with self satisfying smirk across his fizzog...nothing new there as we know) ...and Treeza in happier times albeit looking totally confused and dis-interested in equal measure....again, no change

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-osborne-video

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Old 5th May 2019, 06:56
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What amazes me is that fact the EU have given MPs until October to sort this mess out. What do MPs do? Go on holiday. We're now well into May and nothing has been talked about since Easter with the focus on council elections instead. The next thing on MP's minds are summer holidays, booking first class travel everywhere. That leaves just June, part of September and October to sort it all out.

Proof that MPs put themselves before the country.

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Old 5th May 2019, 07:49
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The link below is to a piece written after Wednesday's PMQs, so before the Local Elections, but it might still be appropriate given there are increasing thoughts of a TM/JC stitch up...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...finally-speaks

(Lino = Leader in name only ..)

"It was almost as if Jeremy Corbyn and Lino had sat down together that morning and agreed on all the difficult things they would go out of their way to avoid. “Can we not talk about Brexit?” Lino asked. “The article 50 extension, the European elections and the ongoing cross-party talks are going down really badly with the Tory grassroots.” The Labour leader nodded. It was a deal. His Labour party colleagues weren’t overjoyed that he had fudged the second referendum and might be on the verge of signing off a Tory Brexit."
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Old 5th May 2019, 10:37
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" I think if a donkey had stood it could have given the others a kicking."
An anecdote if I may.
When John Major was campaigning for Huntingdon ( long before he became P.M) he and his entourage came in to my local.
" Don't worry Mr. Major , you could tie a blue ribbon around the tail of a donkey in Huntingdon and still get in!" I cheerily shouted ,
He came over to the bar.,
" Perhaps I should bray somewhere else ? "
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Old 5th May 2019, 11:33
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That is a very sad state affairs, brought on not so much by disillusionment with politics due to Brexit, but more because local politicians actually hold so little real power that people, even myself, who consider that voting a responsibility, rather than a right, struggles decide on a candidate(s) who will really make any significant difference to my life.
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Old 5th May 2019, 11:40
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I certainly agree that the two main parties will do almost anyhting to remain the two main parties.

as for attaching nasty names to prominent quitters I think thats perfectly fair as on jet Blast anyone to the left of Margret Thatcher is assaulted with endless abuse about champagne socialists , snowflakes , left wing pinkos etc etc but they dont like it when their heroes are ridiculed. for what they are.

And if leavers are so so determined to leave and convinced its right-after all the Mail and Torygraph tell them it is (once again fine to abuse Indy and Guardian readers butt o call Mail and Tg readers introverted ignorant fools is probably seen as an appalling slur ) why not have a second referendum and see what that produce , but they wont and there is only one reason for that which is they know they would lose . In any event Britain's rapidly shrinking place in the world has been accelerated by a good two decades by the whole process. And once again where is Farages money coming from- certainly not his own pocket amd what does he to lose with a German wife, German passport for the asking and German children- a little bit further east perhaps ??



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Old 5th May 2019, 13:16
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
as for attaching nasty names to prominent quitters I think thats perfectly fair as on jet Blast anyone to the left of Margret Thatcher is assaulted with endless abuse about champagne socialists , snowflakes , left wing pinkos etc etc but they dont like it when their heroes are ridiculed. for what they are.
The deal is that if I don't see "remoaner", "remainiac", "bretard", etc etc then I don't say "#brexshitter". This deal did, to my surprise, actually hold on Jet Blast for some months, but has since broken down.

I'm quite happy with the term "champagne socialist", by the way, as it's simply an accurate description of some people - you can spot them by having both a Labour poster in the window and champagne bottles in the recycling box.
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