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Old 20th Apr 2019, 19:27
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Meanwhile, Lord Buckethead has successfully crowdfunded his campaign to stand against Farage in the EU elections.

Except of course they are by regional party list and Farage is top of his party list so he isn’t standing against him at all.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/lord-buck...-mep-elections
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Old 20th Apr 2019, 19:38
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
OK, so that's tubes and buses. ("All TFL", which you state, is much more limited than "all public transport in London", which I've seen claimed elsewhere.)

But what about "trains" that aren't the tube? Do some of those count as "TFL" and therefore alcohol is banned? How would I know the difference between a "TFL train" and a "train" so as to know whether I'm allowed to drink or not?
Gertie, as a politician you should know that ignorance of the law is no excuse.

(I wonder what effect a mojito has on diabetes? I genuinely don't know, just thinking...)
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Old 20th Apr 2019, 19:59
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Gertie, as a politician you should know that ignorance of the law is no excuse.
I do indeed. But I also know that the courts don't take kindly to being asked to enforce offences that the person couldn't reasonably have known they were committing, eg parking on a verge where there aren't any "no verge parking" signs, regardless of what the bye-law hidden behind the Beware of the Leopard sign actually says.

I am, therefore, wondering about the enforceability of a rule that says "you can drink on some trains but not others, and we're not going to make it clear - at the point of boarding the train - which is which".

The map of "London Overground" posted above shows some of the local London train routes, but not others. How am I supposed to know, at the point of boarding a train, what rules apply? Particularly as it's almost certainly the case that there are some points on the network between which run multiple trains, some of which you can drink on and some of which you can't.
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Old 20th Apr 2019, 20:21
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I find it odd that Ms Abbott

a) didn't know the by-laws in the city she has lived in for all her life. Maybe she doesn't usually use public transport?

b) really felt the need to haveto alcoholic drink. She will likely be Home Secretary should Labour take enough votes at the next election.

and finally,

c) There are many 'No smoking ' signs throughout the UK, so how is it that TfL do not have 'No alcohol' signs?
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Old 20th Apr 2019, 20:38
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c) There are many 'No smoking ' signs throughout the UK, so how is it that TfL do not have 'No alcohol' signs?



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Old 20th Apr 2019, 20:47
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Thank you Orac, I do not go to London very often so was not aware of these signs and probably ignored them if indeed I saw them as I don't have an overwhelming desire to have a drink, or smoke in public.

So that kind of leads on to the next point.

Does Diane Abbott have a problem?
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Old 20th Apr 2019, 21:16
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
Thank you Orac, I do not go to London very often so was not aware of these signs
The "carry open containers" bit seems somewhat unreasonable to me. Not everybody finishes an expensive bottle of whisky or brandy in a single session, so how are you supposed to get the rest home?

Reminds me of the time I wandered into the office one Saturday night. The lads were busy working on something I couldn't help with, so I'd just called in with a bottle of some single malt to pass around, to keep up morale ("as moralled as newts" was a frequent saying in that company).

On the way home I was stopped by the police, and indeed I probably was doing around 35 in the 30 limit. Not surprisingly, once they'd seen the half-empty bottle of whisky on the passenger seat they asked me to blow into the machine.

In those days the breathalysers had three lights, green, amber or red (I've no idea what they're like now, I haven't seen one for decades). It seemed clear to me that the outcomes would be
  • red - get done for drink driving
  • amber - get done for speeding
  • green - get let off with a bollocking for the speeding.

And green it was, and I got the bollocking.
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Old 20th Apr 2019, 21:37
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It does say "open" rather than "opened".
Don't you put a stopper on that expensive part-used spirits bottle?
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Old 20th Apr 2019, 21:49
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Someone discharged a firearm into a crowd. Whether or not Ms McKee was expressly targeted itís not by any stretch an accident.
The world is rightfully condemming the murder but the idea she was targeted is one I struggle with.

She is not a "known" journalist but called as a "Citizen" journalist, basically a blogger who occasionally gets some freelance paid work. Published of a number of books which not seem to have set the world alight in readership or sales, not doubt this already changed.

The likelihood of rioters knowing en masse who she was is quite small so put it down to wrong place, wrong time. Possibility of shooter knowing her is a possibility but when people have to ask themselves "Who" it starts to show how unknown she was. Not her fault just reality.
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Old 20th Apr 2019, 22:01
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Someone discharged a firearm into a crowd. Whether or not Ms McKee was expressly targeted itís not by any stretch an accident.
The world is rightfully condemming the murder but the idea she was targeted is one I struggle with.

She is not a "known" journalist but called as a "Citizen" journalist, basically a blogger who occasionally gets some freelance paid work. Published of a number of books which not seem to have set the world alight in readership or sales, not doubt this already changed.

The likelihood of rioters knowing en masse who she was is quite small so put it down to wrong place, wrong time. Possibility of shooter knowing her is a possibility but when people have to ask themselves "Who" it starts to show how unknown she was. Not her fault just reality.
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Old 20th Apr 2019, 23:21
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Perhaps you now have the reason for so many of Abbott's obscure if not to say gibbering public pronouncements during television and radio interviews. Should she be drowned in a barrel of deep and dark Malmsey?
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Old 21st Apr 2019, 06:09
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What’s really repugnant is that Krystal sees this vile murder as nothing more than a cynical opportunity to plug his anti-UKIP agenda
It appears you lack the cognitive ability to distinguish between two entirely separate statements.... contained in one post

The first of which was a response to HQ's comment about the seemingly lack of coverage re this murder.
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Old 21st Apr 2019, 08:16
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ďdissident group allegedly responsible...Talking of which...Ē: Your implied link is pretty clear. But your lame back-pedalling duly noted.
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Old 21st Apr 2019, 08:49
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
The "carry open containers" bit seems somewhat unreasonable to me. Not everybody finishes an expensive bottle of whisky or brandy in a single session, so how are you supposed to get the rest home?
I generally leave the unfinished glass in the Club should I have to leave before emptying it.😁

s me of the time I wandered into the office one Saturday night. The lads were busy working on something I couldn't help with, so I'd just called in with a bottle of some single malt to pass around, to keep up morale ("as moralled as newts" was a frequent saying in that company)
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That surely is an offence in its own right. 😀
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Old 21st Apr 2019, 10:41
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About that argument that we don’t need chlorinated chicken because European poultry farming standards are so much higher than in the USA....

https://www.dw.com/en/chicken-meat-r...ugs/a-48365258
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Old 21st Apr 2019, 13:44
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A nice try, but the article is about the result of overuse of antibiotics in factory farming, which is even worse in the US.

Chlorinating chicken is widespread in the US because it allows the most intensive and unhygienic practises in rearing and slaughtering, but it is not the worst issue.
Consider their use of growth hormones in cattle, and Ractopamine that is banned in most civilised countries.

These are what the US want to be accepted into the UK as part of a trade deal. The EU is strong enough to resist such a demand. Is the UK?
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Old 21st Apr 2019, 13:45
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Someone turned Diane Abbott into every M&S canned cocktail and itís glorious


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Old 21st Apr 2019, 15:07
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What's with a politician's Easter message?
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Old 21st Apr 2019, 17:32
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Yea what the ******* hell is that?, gawd I hate propoganda especialy when it's attempted disguise as something with validity is so pathetic
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Old 21st Apr 2019, 18:18
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Yea what the ******* hell is that?, gawd I hate propoganda especialy when it's attempted disguise as something with validity is so pathetic
Yes how dare she mentioned Christians and Persecution at Easter, especially on same day 200 Christians are slaughted in churches in Sri Lanka.
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