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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 10:03
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Which would result in an unstable hung parliament and failed coalitions. How has that worked for Italy?
Not very well!!

For coalitions to work a country's politics require an element of consensus. The problem is that the UK just doesn't "do" consensus. Our politicians are too black and white - or at least red and blue. In fairness the last coalition we had in 2010 worked pretty well, though as is often the the case, not for the junior partner in the subsequent election.

If, and it's a big "if" the LibDems and Change UK (when eventually they adopt that title) get their collective acts together we could once again get a decent size centrist rump that will be able to put the brakes on the loony right of the Tory party, and the loony left of Labour. By the time of the next GE we'll have a loony leftie in charge of Labour, and if the election comes later rather than sooner, a loony rightie in charge of the Tories. never has the UK needed a centre to temper both than now.

If and when we get there, I will be leafleting for Change UK, or less likely in my constituency, the LibDems as something has to change and quick.
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 14:14
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...ched-7tdt38fp7

Another Brexit extension will come with punishing conditions attached

If the UK wants to avoid crashing out of the European Union with a longer delay to Brexit, it will have to sign up to some toxic terms and conditions.

After another debacle in the House of Commons last night, Michel Barnier, the EU’s lead negotiator, began to spell out some of the strings that will be attached to another Brexit delay. “Such an extension would carry significant risks for the EU, therefore a strong justification would be needed,” he said this morning. “Many businesses in the EU warn us against the cost of extending uncertainty. It could pose a risk on our decision-making autonomy.”.......

To justify the delay, the prime minister will have to promise that the Commons will choose between four options: a soft Brexit, a general election, a second referendum or cancelling the Article 50 withdrawal notice.......

A lengthy extension of the Article 50 withdrawal process..... could last until 2021. The length of time will be demanded by the EU so European businesses can prepare and to remove uncertainty.

Mr Barnier has highlighted what will be a very difficult condition so that Britain will not damage “our decision-making autonomy”. This means Britain would always have to vote with the majority in EU decisions during the extension — no matter what the conflict might be with the national interest — particularly on Brussels budget and trade talks.

The government would have to agree to freeze British trade talks for the duration of an extension.

Such a prospect is daunting for any prime minister and will complicate any final Brexit deal by adding to costs, especially increased financial obligations that will total billions of pounds.

Adding to the poisonous political mix, Britain will have to hold European elections as early as May 23, giving voters in both the Leave and Remain camps the chance to punish the political class. Conservative politicians would not enjoy explaining the lengthy delay, and the attendant costs and humiliations, or trying to set out a new strategy in a manifesto. A divided Labour too would struggle to paper over the divisions between their voters, in the north and south, on a second referendum or reversal of Brexit.

Moreover, the whole cynical but messy exercise of going through the motions of sending 73 British MEPs to the European parliament for a matter of months will further taint politics in the eyes of millions of Britons......


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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 14:21
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 17:32
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Sounds like TM is desperate. I can only assume that appealing to Corbyn is a desperate attempt to share the fallout in advance of the inevitable slide to a GE.
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 17:43
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I'm disgusted, just when I thought our Government could not get any less functional they come out of a day long meeting with this.
Only hope now is the EU says pi55 off, any 'deal' available now really will amount to being a powerless vassal state, time to grow a pair
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 17:55
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
to share the fallout in advance of the inevitable slide to a GE.
“whatever hits the fan will not be distributed evenly” 😂
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 18:04
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Really can’t stop laughing when I think of Davis, Bojo, Farage, Mogg etc a couple of years ago saying things like “we hold all the cards”, and “easiest trade deal in history”. What a bunch of deluded plonkers.

The US, Japan, India and China have already stated they’ll enter into any trade talks with the UK with a predatory mindset (although Congress has blocked any trade deal with the UK at all if a hard border occurs in NI).

What a farce.
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 18:24
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 18:29
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 19:44
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
Really can’t stop laughing when I think of Davis, Bojo, Farage, Mogg etc a couple of years ago saying things like “we hold all the cards”, and “easiest trade deal in history”. What a bunch of deluded plonkers.
I don't believe they were deluded at all. They knew it couldn't be like that. They were simply lying to support their case. Leaving the EU was an end in itself, and damn the consequences.

And you have got Mogg bringing his investment business to Dublin. Will that entitle him to an Irish passport?
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 19:56
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post

And you have got Mogg bringing his investment business to Dublin. Will that entitle him to an Irish passport?
If his company stays here long enough then It's quite possible. That'll then entitle his children to them. They can compare them with the German passports Farage got for his kids.
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 20:11
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It's a term that's fallen out of favour because these days egomania trumps pro patria but, back in the good old days when boys were allowed to aspire to be men, creatures acknowledged as fifth columnists constantly chattered at the heels of those who loved their land. Defined as any group of people who undermine a larger group from within, usually in favour of an enemy group or nation, the activities of a fifth column could both be overt, covert or clandestine.
The mistake that those who won the referendum made in regard to the those elements of society was to ignore them until their vocality had infected the vulpine nature of many of those who stand in parliament. Then too, as muck compounds a tractor's tyres, no one could ever have anticipated the clogging and bogging effects of the sheer idiocy and sycophantic stupidity of the prime minister, a woman who may yet go down in history as one of the greatest enemies of the British nation the country has ever produced.
No doubt her face will be chosen to adorn the first Euro note to be issued in Britain once that country adopts that currency.
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 20:24
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Easy to call people liars but if called to give evidence you would fail, as is usual in anonymous blogs where even the weak can become strong. Hyperbole, inducing people to believe what they want to believe....all in the nature of politics on all sides. But you knew that.
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 20:38
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Sounds like TM is desperate. I can only assume that appealing to Corbyn is a desperate attempt to share the fallout in advance of the inevitable slide to a GE.
Yup.... according to one policy wonk I’ve read in the last few minutes..

TM gets JC on side to get the WA (TM version) through HoC.
TM retires to go hill walking with Phil (after he has finished counting his money).
Boris or another ERG fanboi then trashes the subsequent negotiations.
Brexit gets even more messy.
JC gets to share the blame.

oh, and this:



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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 20:45
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Corbyn is daft enough to fall for it, but I doubt that those who advise him are. There will now be a delicate Pas de Deux as each tries to outmanoeuvre the other. In the end it will grind to a halt with no resolution. We are heading for revocation.
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 20:52
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People forget:
Seamus Milne is a Wykehamist.
Never underestimate a Wykehamist. They have been outperforming Etonians for generations.
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 20:58
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John Crace....Brexit can kicked firmly in Corbyn’s face.

For those not familiar with Mr Crace’s work..

”lino”= leader in name only..
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 21:10
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John Crace....Brexit can kicked firmly in Corbyn’s face.

For those not familiar with Mr Crace’s work..

”lino”= leader in name only..
And the Conservatives are a 'Pino'.
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 21:28
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There are good and decent people in both parties. Sadly they are not leading them. In most cases they are leaving them.
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 21:53
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