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Old 31st Mar 2019, 20:01
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
The most important news today is that Leave means Leave have dropped their appeal against a £400k fine for overspending. The reason for this - their data has been "destroyed". Now I wonder how, and more importantly why, that happened.
Maybe they acquired a shredder belonging to a former Labour Prime Minister... 'data destruction' is not a new phenomenon
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 06:19
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Bathless

I see in today's paper that buried in the detail of chancellor Phil Hammond's announcement that gas heating will be banned from new houses is an even greater change. From 2020 no new house will be built with a bathroom. All future housing will instead have only a shower.

Builders and estate agents will be required to drop the word bath from their housing descriptions and instead refer to these former rooms as shower rooms. An advantage of the change for builders is that the previous bathrooms can now be made smaller this shaving costs off new build properties. This change will also apply to the refurbishment of older houses as the sale of new baths will be banned from next April.

The manager of BathStore said there had been no prior consultation with industry but that they would be remodelling their Bath Store show rooms as each came up for refurbishment and as they would be reduced in size and they would be renamed ShowerStalls .

Not only builders' merchants and bath show rooms will be affected. President Macron of France said this was really a direct effect of Brexit and will have a major impact on Champagne production. Goat Milk producers are also up in arms about the change and Spain, as the largest produced of goats milk in Europe, after Franc, will also suffer. Pete Ramm of the UK Goats Milk Association said this was yet another manifestation of the nanny state.
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 06:27
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What?! Thatís absolutely outrageous. I canít believe the depths these bureaucrats will sink to. Whatever next? Toilets that donít flush and need you to pour cupfuls of used water down them?

BV
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 06:33
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I suppose it's traditional, but come on
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 06:35
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Originally Posted by StAn gelo View Post
Maybe they acquired a shredder belonging to a former Labour Prime Minister... 'data destruction' is not a new phenomenon
Indeed, the South Wales Police Farce can provide expert advice on technique
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 06:38
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
What?! Thatís absolutely outrageous. I canít believe the depths these bureaucrats will sink to. Whatever next? Toilets that donít flush and need you to pour cupfuls of used water down them?

BV
The Swedes have those already, throw some wood ash or saw dust in. Bit rough on the bum though.
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 07:43
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A diversion from Brexit looms....may even get 2mins airtime, who knows !....but it's worth watching out for. There again, it's the one in Wales, which is but a sign on the Motorway and location unknown thereafter....for those residents of London and the South East that is. ....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...es-for-renewal
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 07:49
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
What?! Thatís absolutely outrageous. I canít believe the depths these bureaucrats will sink to. Whatever next? Toilets that donít flush and need you to pour cupfuls of used water down them?

BV
I think you are on to something there. Wee in a bucket and then use the bucket of wee to flush away the poos when needed.
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 14:04
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The most important news today is that Leave means Leave have dropped their appeal against a £400k fine for overspending. The reason for this - their data has been "destroyed". Now I wonder how, and more importantly why, that happened.
Can you provide a reference for that?

Funny. Their official statement said they had run out of money to continue appeals, and nothing about shredding data. They also have pointed out (and had their original appeal upheld by the High Court) that they were acting on advice from the Electoral Commission. The High Court Judge said in his ruling on the original case that was overturned that there was no "rational basis" for the watchdog's actions, which he described a "recipe for abuse" of the law. The Electoral Commission, of course (unlike Vote Leave) has effectively unlimited funding from the taxpayer.

They have also pointed out that (a) the Remain Campaign colluded organisationally and financially with unofficial campaigns but nothing has been done about that, and (b) the Reamin Campaign in total outspent the Leave campaign 2 to 1, even ignoring the separate Goverment spending on Remain.

If you are trying to support the 'it was won illegally' then you need to have better evidence.

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Old 1st Apr 2019, 14:58
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Extract from Saturday's Times..

The judge said there will be a further hearing to determine what orders the court should make as a result of its ruling.

Claire Bassett, chief executive at the Electoral Commission said: “The High Court reached the same conclusion as the Commission did in its investigation – that Vote Leave should have accounted for the expenditure on the digital services firm, Aggregate IQ.“We have already given Vote Leave the maximum fine available to us for the offences concerned.

The High Court’s findings do not change the conclusions reached in our investigation: it too found that spending was incorrectly reported, that Vote Leave exceeded its spending limit and that it failed to declare this additional spending.”
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 15:21
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True Sally, but the High Court Judge agreed at the previous appeal that Vote Leave had asked and followed the Electoral Commission advice. The Commission then scrathched around to modify their case to keep Vote Leave paying expensive lawyers.

The Remain Campaign were fined for different reasons, but of course they were no doubt perfectly legal on your planet.
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 16:09
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Strange how the para sprogget app thread seems to have died.
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 18:08
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Vote Leave ( Not Leave means Leave, I don't where that came from) Quite clearly diverted funds to BeLeave, a spurious offshoot, ostensibly the Brexit Youth Wing of the party. And overspent by £675,000. It seems strange that an organisation so full of funds then ran out of money to defend itself. An ERG member On The lunchtime politics show admitted an apologised for the offence but went on to somewhat bitterly blame an advisor. When pushed by Jo Coburn he then refused to name the miscreant, which in itself raises still more questions. Who is it? Was it in fact a bluff to divert attention from himself?
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 06:48
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 07:54
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 07:59
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 08:10
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I've been thinking the same for a while now, May has got to be as incompetent at Eden; difference this time is we have a US President sitting on the sidelines, waiting for the fallout of a no deal so that he can screw a really good "America first" trade deal from the ashes. Eden, of course, was stopped in his tracks when a rather more internationalist US President told him to stop our (and France's) rather stupid post colonial Suez adventure.

I suppose if there is a mitigating factor for Mrs. May it is that she has the ERG tail which is wagging the dog, in cahoots with the DUP, with the backing over an overwhelmingly aging, extreme Brexit leaning party membership all of which are tying her hands.

If as a result of pressure from the party membership, DUP and ERG we do leave with now deal on 12th April, the Tory party in the Commons will surely fall apart (much as it would if she decides to tag a referendum on to her deal) and the ensuing election will regrettably bring Corbyn into power - gawd help us.
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 08:57
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I am convinced that won't happen. All the signs are that the Tory and Labour support is being depressed equally. From 40ish % ratings that have persisted since the 2017 election we are now seeing those dropping to the low 30's in several polls. This is fertile ground for a third party to intrude on their private grief. Whatever we see from here I do see further defections from both parties.
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 09:11
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Hopefully a bit of light relief..

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-brexit-debate
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 09:16
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
I am convinced that won't happen. All the signs are that the Tory and Labour support is being depressed equally. From 40ish % ratings that have persisted since the 2017 election we are now seeing those dropping to the low 30's in several polls. This is fertile ground for a third party to intrude on their private grief. Whatever we see from here I do see further defections from both parties.
Which would result in an unstable hung parliament and failed coalitions. How has that worked for Italy?
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