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Old 21st Mar 2019, 09:02
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When I use the term confirmation bias I mean that all we hear is remainers stating ‘it is the will of the people’ to remain in the EU.

Those people are subject to confirmation bias if all they do is mix and converse with people whose stated aim is to remain.

I agree that maybe the politicians should state that it is the will of the majority of people to leave.

Lets remember that every time we have an election, almost (or even more than) half the people don’t get the government they voted for. Does that mean we have to whinge about it for the next five years and say it isn’t fair?!

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Old 21st Mar 2019, 09:05
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post

But I for one would appreciate it if the phrase used by TM and other politicians was e.g. "exiting the EU is the will of a large number of the British people, but not all"....
I would caveat that by adding in June 2016.

Although I cannot possibly prove it one way or the other, it would take a zealot of the highest order to insist there can have been no movement in either direction in the intervening two & a half years, in light of a vastly improved comprehension of how Europe operates, of how the government has bungled everything, of how the man in the street, who may well not be the handful of politicos that bother with this sort of thing but let's say the man on the Clapham omnibus, who if you'd told him in 2016 that by this year he would possess a working knowledge of WTO regulations, would not have believed you.

We may well not get to test that idea yet we are witnessing a national humiliation where 'taking back control' has ultimately placed our national fate in the hands of the European Union. A government that has lost authority, squandered goodwill & now abdicated responsibility will have lefty a mark on the people. But it's not listening, not to us, not to anyone.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 09:08
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What we need is some brave leaver to post a counter petition.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 09:14
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OK thanks, see what you mean.

PN..

A "leaver" petition (something along the lines of parliament must respect the "will of the people") was started about 5 months back and I think had "hung" at about 300K but funnily enough started to move again last night...

Looks like the new petition's site has just crashed (getting a bad gateway message at 0910 UTC)....overloaded? or displaying an inconvenient trend?

Wonder when the claims about Russian interference will start??
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 09:16
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
What we need is some brave leaver to post a counter petition.
I did try to find one but the petitions website appears to have cancelled itself in sympathy.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 09:21
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There was at least one of those I posted was a leave one, but as has been pointed out the petition site seems to keep crashing, not that it makes any difference, unless one is into conspiracy theories.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 09:35
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
We may well not get to test that idea yet we are witnessing a national humiliation where 'taking back control' has ultimately placed our national fate in the hands of the European Union.
Yes there is a certain irony. We've made such a mess of taking back control that at the very last minute our PM has had to go back to Brussels to get her instructions on how to do it.

And then we must go about getting our new instructions from the US. Our next PM will be earning a few air miles from that.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 09:42
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
You do wonder if she's been consulting Sir Alex as to how to get a result by going into extra time.....and watching Wenger for how to blame everybody else but herself techniques
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Bet she doesn't get an invite to the Pizza Club!
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 10:01
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Last night saw the best example of synchronised stupidity ever. May tried to blame all her travails on parliament whilst Jezza stormed out of a meeting because he didn't like Umunna being invited. This epitomises more than anything the reason why we are in the current state of political paralysis. The people at the top are stupid!
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 10:04
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Last night saw the best example of synchronised stupidity ever. May tried to blame all her travails on parliament whilst Jezza stormed out of a meeting because he didn't like Umunna being invited. This epitomises more than anything the reason why we are in the current state of political paralysis. The people at the top are stupid!
So they are all brexiteers then, according to the gospel of remain
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 10:07
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Well based on yesterday's efforts by many politicians, and most especially on the basis of one stand out performance by one individual it looks like life is going to get even more interesting in the next few days.

It will be informative to see how British democracy and the system of democratic government copes, because next week it is going to be pressure tested in a way it hasn't been for perhaps 60 plus years..

For example will a cunning plan going to be found to ban/cancel the "Peoples' March" on Saturday?

What happens when (if?) Op. Yellowhammer is activated start of next week?

A remote neutral observer might be best advised to get the Popcorn in, but for many it's a bit mores serious than that..

Looks like I picked a heck of a week to give up drinking....
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 10:32
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Well, it is the will of the people. Apparently they knew what they were voting for
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 10:42
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Interesting rumour going around Brussels, which shows where our democracy has gone....

The suggestion is that, since EU law is legally superior to UK law, if the WA agreement has not been signed by Thursday, the EU should declare they “recognise the rights and opinion of the British people”, unilaterally declare a 2 year extension and demand the UK participate in the EU elections and hold another referendum.

I doubt it will happen, but the fact it is even seriously being discussed......
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 11:05
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Originally Posted by sfm818 View Post
In the 70's the Royal family exploited a largely ceremonial appointment to exert pressure (on behalf of the U.S.A.) and force the resignation of a Prime Minister in a distant part of the Commonwealth.

When confronted with a far more urgent case, that same Monarch seems unwilling to exercise the same powers to effect change ... not in the Southern Hemisphere, but this time just a short ride by horse and carriage from her Palace.

How urgent does the constitutional crisis have to be before an authority respected across both houses, steps in to protect her subjects best interests?

Is it possible that the only subject which interests this 'symbolic' Head of State is retaining generous increases to the Sovereign Grant from a dysfunctional Tory party, in exchange for looking the other way.
Great. That's all we need, Charles I back in the room.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 11:07
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Curiously just been listening to martial music on the wireless
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 11:13
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Curiously just been listening to martial music on the wireless
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 11:45
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“Jezza stormed out of meeting...”. Funny how he’s happy to meet on friendly terms with murderous terrorists like IRA and Hezbollah yet can’t bring himself to be in the same room as his former colleague.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 12:24
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Sky just interviewed Martina ANDERSON, the Sinn Fein MEP for Northern Ireland, who claimed if the WA wasn’t signed it was grounds for an immediate border poll for unification under the terms of the GF agreement.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 13:12
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The 'Arch Remainer' petition.....:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

Andrea Leadsom has rather sniffily said, 'If it reaches 17m, then I'm sure there will be a case for taking action'
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 13:22
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Hyers54

Well if you live in France the collapse of the UK economy wont bother you will it.

And on a purely personal level I dont like the fact that my children have both left the UK and seeking in one case and obtained in the other permanent residency so i will admit to being biased.

As the Americans would say, I've probably got more skin at risk in the UK economy than yourself.

At current FX rates, about £3.4 million of property - two residential and three commercial.

The company of which I own 25% has four of our top nine customers who are UK companies - current iprofit from those four I'd estimate at $ 2.6 million.

Both our children made the UK their home years ago, not Germany which is their nationality, and not here in France. Our daughter obtained her Batchelors, Masters and Doctorate at UK universities nd now lectures at a fairly good one in the UK, while our son looks after our property as well as being our company's UK Agent and go-to man for our customers.

Trust me - I've got a huge stake in the UK economy.



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