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Old 19th Mar 2019, 15:07
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pax britanica I'd love to know where our legislation or regulation is "criminally lax" especially in comparison to other countries?

It seems that we're leading the game in terms of international finance regulation
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 15:29
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Can you give us a hint of what infrastructure is actually left to be sold that's not already owned abroad?
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 15:35
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Shows how little you know about UK engineering..
I know F*** all about engineering.



Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post

And these days keeping the worker safe carry's an extremely heavy price. For you to be using pickers, tall bay shelves you need them trained working at heights. You also need to protect the workers under them. You have to proved height access, a ladder won't cut the mustard. You need the safety infrastructure and all the safety assessment's very quickly the cost all mounts up. Never mind your through put is less that 30% of the automatic system. And try 12 million for one installed last year.
However, you've just strayed into my world & proved you know F*** all about distribution. I've said for months in here you're a Walt making it up as you go along & you've just proved it. Now why don't you jog on to you tube, take a minute or two to see how manual pick warehouses operate & come back here & tell me how we were doing it wrong for all those years at Safeway, Unichem, Ikea, Tesco...
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 16:15
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So far as I can see Buick is still a GM brand, at least it is according to the GM website, and I'd assume they know! GM appear also to have interests in a couple of, presumably, Chinese brands among many others.
As is British Airways a British brand.

And of Hanson, I don't drive motorways that frequently nor do I follow trucks if I can help it.

Mercedes Benz is a brand of Daimler. ... So Chrysler never owned or sold Mercedes. Mercedes went back to being a brand of the new Daimler AG. Chrysler retained all of the old US brands (Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram, Mopar) and became Chrysler LLC, which was then bought by Fiat in 2009 as part of bankruptcy restructuring.
So Chrysler is Italian after it was linked to Daimler-Benz.

The marketers sell the image not the conglomerate.

What could be more quintessentially British than Laura Ashley, a British textile design company controlled by the MUI Group of Malaysia.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 16:22
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I wasn't talking about distribution I was talking about a parts store which items range from 1gram washers to 100-200 kg lumps of metal (obviously they stay on pallets on ground level).

And if you are running rack systems where workers are working above head height and your not doing the items I have stipulated then you deserve what you get when someone gets hurt or god forbid killed.

Maybe you should familiarise yourself with this document.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/hsg76.pdf

Funny you should mention, Ikea they actually put a hellva lot of engineering into their storage. Its no where near as simple as it looks, a bit like loading a boat. Obviously as your so clueless about engineering you won't see or know what goes into a safe racking system or the safety of the people using it.

I would never wish this sort of incident on anyone.


But with the obvious lack of knowledge or clue by the people who work in "distribution" then it will continue to be an accident waiting to happen.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 17:01
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 17:02
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BBC now saying that May is writing to EU to request a delay to Art.50
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 17:08
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Ok ok I am an expat that lives in the Eu that doesn't have a clue what's going on locally. I just have to ignore what the 16 different nationality's I work with say. Also what the financial sites say.

Instead I have to believe PPrunes very own Judy Garland from Sussex just because they says so.
Careful tescoapp, I got banned from not just this thread but the whole of JetBlast, for several weeks (only just got back in!), for daring to speak out against a certain prolific poster in this thread - just watch your 6

Would be interesting to know who the censor, sorry the moderator, that did that was - but no, they hide behind anonymity so we will not know if it was done by a completely impartial mod (unlikely in this case as I said nothing offensive, rude or illegal), a supporter of the person criticised or even the actual person criticised!
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 17:08
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Classic buckling failure G-CPTN unfortunately it still happens regularly, many a child is fatherless because of it.

But hey we have PPrunes Judy Gardland who is an expert in distribution who knows more about it than a degree qualified engineer who has had nobody killed or maimed on his watch.

Well he keeps singing over the rainbow. And he says he is an expert but has never heard of basic HSE requirements for the protection of workers.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 17:45
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Classic buckling failure G-CPTN unfortunately it still happens regularly, many a child is fatherless because of it.

But hey we have PPrunes Judy Gardland who is an expert in distribution who knows more about it than a degree qualified engineer who has had nobody killed or maimed on his watch.

Well he keeps singing over the rainbow. And he says he is an expert but has never heard of basic HSE requirements for the protection of workers.
That comes well from PPRuNe's own amateur gynaecologist.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 17:55
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
I wasn't talking about distribution I was talking about a parts store which items range from 1gram washers to 100-200 kg lumps of metal (obviously they stay on pallets on ground level).
Of course you were. Let's look back at the original exchange.

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a supermarket faced with the decision on whether to invest 5-6m on an automated picking system using tall bay narrow aisle racking with automatic guided vehicles, or throw a few dozen 8.20/hr pickers at it for a couple of years until this mess sorts itself out, to pick one example of the top of my head.

It's like explaining why the sky is blue to a child.
Which led you directly to bestow me with your 'expertise':

Here's you imagining pickers run up & down ladders fetching cases of Unicorns for leave voters to cuddle at night.

Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
And these days keeping the worker safe carry's an extremely heavy price. For you to be using pickers, tall bay shelves you need them trained working at heights. You also need to protect the workers under them. You have to proved height access, a ladder won't cut the mustard. You need the safety infrastructure and all the safety assessment's very quickly the cost all mounts up. Never mind your through put is less that 30% of the automatic system. And try 12 million for one installed last year.
And here's the sound of someone furiously backpedalling. Oh I meant a parts store, despite you clearly & in black & white, for all to see, specifically discussing a supermarket picking operation.

Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
I wasn't talking about distribution I was talking about a parts store which items range from 1gram washers to 100-200 kg lumps of metal (obviously they stay on pallets on ground level).

And if you are running rack systems where workers are working above head height and your not doing the items I have stipulated then you deserve what you get when someone gets hurt or god forbid killed.
There it is again, workers above head height. Gee, you really have run large scale distribution ops putting thousands of pallets a day through by having guys running up & down ladders like some industrial snakes & ladders.

You're about as credible as postman pat mate.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 17:56
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Classic buckling failure G-CPTN unfortunately it still happens regularly, many a child is fatherless because of it.
Balls does it.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 18:01
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What on earth are you on about now Sally?
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 18:14
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How high are these stock rooms you are working in? And how many racks high? Are they above head height? Whats the max weight of a picked item?

To be honest I have only worked with Ikea sized racking systems. What do you have maybe three racks the top one not above head height and your little pickers push a cage around and load them up?

Must admit I missed the supermarket word and focused on Ikea because that's the size I am used to.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 18:19
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Excellent article. It also explains the Westminster bubble and how so many MPs grow remote from their electorates.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...pendent-group/
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 18:21
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Apologies to tesco for plagiarism. Tick, tock , Tick tock, Aaaarrrrrgggghhhhhhhh!
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 18:21
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
How high are these stock rooms you are working in? And how many racks high? Are they above head height? Whats the max weight of a picked item?

To be honest I have only worked with Ikea sized racking systems. What do you have maybe three racks the top one not above head height and your little pickers push a cage around and load them up?

Must admit I missed the supermarket word and focused on Ikea because that's the size I am used to.
The difference between you & me is I wouldn't try to tell you how to fly a plane. When you reverse the positions, it's abundantly clear the same humble concept escapes you.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 18:37
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Of course as an engineer I would tell some warehouse monkey how to safely operate in the environment I designed. I presume you have load bearing stickers on every rack space? that's a legal requirement as well.

As I linked to the guidance from the HSE, it is published and is law, if you are not following it then your wide open to prosecution if anything happens. If you are in charge of people and are not enforcing it you are open to prosecution.

But either way it will have absolutely zero effect on what happens in 10 days time. Tick Tock.

BTW that is an interesting article ORAC. it rings true as well. You can see it in this forum.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 18:45
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
How high are these stock rooms you are working in? And how many racks high? Are they above head height? Whats the max weight of a picked item?

To be honest I have only worked with Ikea sized racking systems. What do you have maybe three racks the top one not above head height and your little pickers push a cage around and load them up?

Must admit I missed the supermarket word and focused on Ikea because that's the size I am used to.
S'cuse me for asking, buuuut, as you mention work in the above, and you have a range of expertise, could you elaborate a bit please in response to these queries..just so we know the background....

What engineering disciplines are you qualified in, for how long have you been qualified and practicing as a professional engineer ?

What are your types and flying qualifications ..flying history would be classed as "added value ".....?

I know, it's no sodding business of mine, buuuuut, given your prolific and eclectic rang of posts and topics, it would make an interesting read to enthral us all....as an alternative to Brexit.

Ta, in advance..

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Old 19th Mar 2019, 19:01
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I am reminded of Lord Palmerston's remark about the Schleswig-Holstein affair which occupied the minds of nineteenth century politicians generally possessed of a great deal more sagacity then the hopeless bunch we have now. He is reputed to have said;
Only three people have ever really understood the Schleswig-Holstein business - the Prince Consort who is dead, a German professor who has gone mad, and I who have forgotten all about it. It is difficult not to see a parallel with current times.

How do you suppose a foreigner, in seeking to form a view of Brexit - essentially a straightforward undertaking, or so he might think - might arrive at a rational conclusion in the light of the recent Parliamentary nonsense?

Firstly, MPs reject the Prime Minister's capitulation - sorry "deal" - by the largest margin in British Parliamentary history. The Commons voted for a second time, only to secure another substantial defeat which, to anyone with a sense of shame, would be thoroughly humiliating. Then we had a vote to leave the EU without a deal which must have really confused our foreign observer. Two amendments proposing long delays to Article 50 were voted down. MPs then rejected a second referendum amendment; a proposal for Parliament to take control of the legislative agenda (which was lost by a mere two votes), and a Labour further amendment calling for a Brexit delay to enable a different approach. A government motion, however, was passed to extend the Brexit process. One Brexit minister who previously had resigned over Theresa May’s Brexit deal now, contrarily, voted in favour of the same motion!. The current Brexit secretary told the House to vote with the government on its Brexit-delay amendment, only to then vote against it himself. Members of the Cabinet and Shadow Cabinet both defied their party whips, yet in the case of the government, thanks to their boss's inability to impose any form of discipline, remain in post. Nevertheless, defying any sort of recognisable logic, it was claimed that collective responsibility of the Cabinet remained intact. The prime minister concluded that the best reaction to the greatest and fourth-largest government losses in parliamentary history was, wait for it, hold a third vote. More ludicrous still, some think she might win it.

You just could not make it up! If it wasn't so important, this would be great entertainment in Westminster’s very own Theatre of the Absurd. It is little wonder that we are seen by the international community, never mind that of Europe, as congenitally incompetent.
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