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Old 19th Mar 2019, 12:59
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Its nothing to do with EU membership.

Personally I think its all to do with having such a low valued pound which if ART 50 hadn't been issued we wouldn't have had. And if it goes lower it will still have the same effect on exit.
Which brings us back to UK business, utilities, infrastructure and upmarket housing being bought up at bargain prices. If the UK pound falls even further after Brexit there will be little of value left that is still British owned.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 13:03
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
How on earth can anyone, even the most fanatical remainer, manage to twist the fact that we have the highest number of people in employment since 1971, to make it seem as it was being in the EU was the cause?
It's never been said that leavers can take a joke now has it?

Had you read the article, you'd be aware that it discusses some of the factors in this news, one of which, for your exclusive, saving a click benefit, is that in periods of uncertainty, it is far easier to employ rapidly disposable assets I.e. people, than invest in expensive plant & machinery. We do know employment is up, investment is down. It's a recipe for maintaining productivity without exposing yourself to excessive financial risk.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 13:34
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There is very little left to own as it is already. We need to start creating new businesses which are part of the community's.

People are more expensive than plant if you want ones that have a clue what they are doing. I will admit employing a load of remain economists is going to be pretty cheap though compared to buying a decent calculator.

Investment in UK engineering is doing more than fine.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 14:12
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post

People are more expensive than plant if you want ones that have a clue what they are doing. I will admit employing a load of remain economists is going to be pretty cheap though compared to buying a decent calculator.
Tediously contradictory for the sake of it. A pity you cannot view the world through anything other than your own narrow prism.

Whilst I'm quite sure Rolls Royce isn't dragging people out of the job centre to hammer aircraft engines together, the inverse is a supermarket faced with the decision on whether to invest 5-6m on an automated picking system using tall bay narrow aisle racking with automatic guided vehicles, or throw a few dozen 8.20/hr pickers at it for a couple of years until this mess sorts itself out, to pick one example of the top of my head.

It's like explaining why the sky is blue to a child.

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Old 19th Mar 2019, 14:56
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Nope I am an engineer who is now a pilot who still does the odd bit of project engineering.

If you can find the skilled labour you pay for it. if you want to train it that takes time and even more money.

And these days keeping the worker safe carry's an extremely heavy price. For you to be using pickers, tall bay shelves you need them trained working at heights. You also need to protect the workers under them. You have to proved height access, a ladder won't cut the mustard. You need the safety infrastructure and all the safety assessment's very quickly the cost all mounts up. Never mind your through put is less that 30% of the automatic system. And try 12 million for one installed last year.

And I would love to hear your explanation of why the sky is blue. Most people don't have a clue why its blue and come out with utter nonsense. Most of the pilots I know strongly disbelieve the fact that rainbows have a constant angle to them between the colours. Which of course is 54 deg to the peak of the red and 40 deg to the bottom of the magenta in the primary bow.


Whilst I'm quite sure Rolls Royce isn't dragging people out of the job centre to hammer aircraft engines together
Shows how little you know about UK engineering. They are, and multiple other companies are as well because there is just not enough skilled labour out there. There is a mad rush to Swindon, to cash in on the car workers wanting to jump the gun and leave another job before the plants shut down. If your a plumber that can braze that's unemployed RR will employ you at the drop of a hat.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 15:03
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But how many jobs are zero hours pickers, Uber drivers, car washers, Deliveroo bikers etc etc, jobs that pay low wages with no benefits that we the tax payer subsidise because the poor sods doing them are not paid enough to live on.

i cannot see this has anything to do with Brexit other than the fact that most of the people dealing with it parliament should be headed for the dole queue irrespective of what happens , And as Sally says whats going to be left of British infrastructure after American and Euro firms buy it with cheap pounds. The Americans trash most things they buy because they dont understand or care for the UK market and the Euros exploit our criminally lax legislation and regulation to make profits that subsidise their utility services in their own country. We seem to be going backwards as a nation in all respects .



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Old 19th Mar 2019, 15:07
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pax britanica I'd love to know where our legislation or regulation is "criminally lax" especially in comparison to other countries?

It seems that we're leading the game in terms of international finance regulation
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 15:29
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Can you give us a hint of what infrastructure is actually left to be sold that's not already owned abroad?
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 15:35
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Shows how little you know about UK engineering..
I know F*** all about engineering.



Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post

And these days keeping the worker safe carry's an extremely heavy price. For you to be using pickers, tall bay shelves you need them trained working at heights. You also need to protect the workers under them. You have to proved height access, a ladder won't cut the mustard. You need the safety infrastructure and all the safety assessment's very quickly the cost all mounts up. Never mind your through put is less that 30% of the automatic system. And try 12 million for one installed last year.
However, you've just strayed into my world & proved you know F*** all about distribution. I've said for months in here you're a Walt making it up as you go along & you've just proved it. Now why don't you jog on to you tube, take a minute or two to see how manual pick warehouses operate & come back here & tell me how we were doing it wrong for all those years at Safeway, Unichem, Ikea, Tesco...
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 16:15
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So far as I can see Buick is still a GM brand, at least it is according to the GM website, and I'd assume they know! GM appear also to have interests in a couple of, presumably, Chinese brands among many others.
As is British Airways a British brand.

And of Hanson, I don't drive motorways that frequently nor do I follow trucks if I can help it.

Mercedes Benz is a brand of Daimler. ... So Chrysler never owned or sold Mercedes. Mercedes went back to being a brand of the new Daimler AG. Chrysler retained all of the old US brands (Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram, Mopar) and became Chrysler LLC, which was then bought by Fiat in 2009 as part of bankruptcy restructuring.
So Chrysler is Italian after it was linked to Daimler-Benz.

The marketers sell the image not the conglomerate.

What could be more quintessentially British than Laura Ashley, a British textile design company controlled by the MUI Group of Malaysia.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 16:22
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I wasn't talking about distribution I was talking about a parts store which items range from 1gram washers to 100-200 kg lumps of metal (obviously they stay on pallets on ground level).

And if you are running rack systems where workers are working above head height and your not doing the items I have stipulated then you deserve what you get when someone gets hurt or god forbid killed.

Maybe you should familiarise yourself with this document.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/hsg76.pdf

Funny you should mention, Ikea they actually put a hellva lot of engineering into their storage. Its no where near as simple as it looks, a bit like loading a boat. Obviously as your so clueless about engineering you won't see or know what goes into a safe racking system or the safety of the people using it.

I would never wish this sort of incident on anyone.


But with the obvious lack of knowledge or clue by the people who work in "distribution" then it will continue to be an accident waiting to happen.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 17:01
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 17:02
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BBC now saying that May is writing to EU to request a delay to Art.50
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 17:08
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Ok ok I am an expat that lives in the Eu that doesn't have a clue what's going on locally. I just have to ignore what the 16 different nationality's I work with say. Also what the financial sites say.

Instead I have to believe PPrunes very own Judy Garland from Sussex just because they says so.
Careful tescoapp, I got banned from not just this thread but the whole of JetBlast, for several weeks (only just got back in!), for daring to speak out against a certain prolific poster in this thread - just watch your 6

Would be interesting to know who the censor, sorry the moderator, that did that was - but no, they hide behind anonymity so we will not know if it was done by a completely impartial mod (unlikely in this case as I said nothing offensive, rude or illegal), a supporter of the person criticised or even the actual person criticised!
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 17:08
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Classic buckling failure G-CPTN unfortunately it still happens regularly, many a child is fatherless because of it.

But hey we have PPrunes Judy Gardland who is an expert in distribution who knows more about it than a degree qualified engineer who has had nobody killed or maimed on his watch.

Well he keeps singing over the rainbow. And he says he is an expert but has never heard of basic HSE requirements for the protection of workers.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 17:45
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Classic buckling failure G-CPTN unfortunately it still happens regularly, many a child is fatherless because of it.

But hey we have PPrunes Judy Gardland who is an expert in distribution who knows more about it than a degree qualified engineer who has had nobody killed or maimed on his watch.

Well he keeps singing over the rainbow. And he says he is an expert but has never heard of basic HSE requirements for the protection of workers.
That comes well from PPRuNe's own amateur gynaecologist.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 17:55
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
I wasn't talking about distribution I was talking about a parts store which items range from 1gram washers to 100-200 kg lumps of metal (obviously they stay on pallets on ground level).
Of course you were. Let's look back at the original exchange.

Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
a supermarket faced with the decision on whether to invest 5-6m on an automated picking system using tall bay narrow aisle racking with automatic guided vehicles, or throw a few dozen 8.20/hr pickers at it for a couple of years until this mess sorts itself out, to pick one example of the top of my head.

It's like explaining why the sky is blue to a child.
Which led you directly to bestow me with your 'expertise':

Here's you imagining pickers run up & down ladders fetching cases of Unicorns for leave voters to cuddle at night.

Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
And these days keeping the worker safe carry's an extremely heavy price. For you to be using pickers, tall bay shelves you need them trained working at heights. You also need to protect the workers under them. You have to proved height access, a ladder won't cut the mustard. You need the safety infrastructure and all the safety assessment's very quickly the cost all mounts up. Never mind your through put is less that 30% of the automatic system. And try 12 million for one installed last year.
And here's the sound of someone furiously backpedalling. Oh I meant a parts store, despite you clearly & in black & white, for all to see, specifically discussing a supermarket picking operation.

Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
I wasn't talking about distribution I was talking about a parts store which items range from 1gram washers to 100-200 kg lumps of metal (obviously they stay on pallets on ground level).

And if you are running rack systems where workers are working above head height and your not doing the items I have stipulated then you deserve what you get when someone gets hurt or god forbid killed.
There it is again, workers above head height. Gee, you really have run large scale distribution ops putting thousands of pallets a day through by having guys running up & down ladders like some industrial snakes & ladders.

You're about as credible as postman pat mate.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 17:56
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Classic buckling failure G-CPTN unfortunately it still happens regularly, many a child is fatherless because of it.
Balls does it.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 18:01
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What on earth are you on about now Sally?
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 18:14
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How high are these stock rooms you are working in? And how many racks high? Are they above head height? Whats the max weight of a picked item?

To be honest I have only worked with Ikea sized racking systems. What do you have maybe three racks the top one not above head height and your little pickers push a cage around and load them up?

Must admit I missed the supermarket word and focused on Ikea because that's the size I am used to.
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