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Old 18th Mar 2019, 07:29
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
I can only think that it is in the very best traditions of British ' Fair Play '

Until the UK does actually get round to leaving the EU - 29th March, but which year ? - then the EU's rules and directives will continue to be implemented and obeyed in a way that most other members of the EU usually manage to ignore.
Exactly as stated by Douglas Hurd.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 07:42
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At last a demonstrably false fact:


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literally can't believe you live in the same planet as me,
I am definitely not.... thankfully.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 08:21
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
Aah....

Meanwhile the German Government has coughed up billions for 100% State owned Deutsche Bahn to become one of the biggest global transport and logistics companies ; likewise the French Government has poured billions into EDF and SNCF to have a major stake in the UK's infrastructure ; and the Italian Government's never ending financial support for Alitalia ( which I don't object to, by the way, but there are rules, apparently )....

All that I can suggest is that maybe it depends which language you speak or, perhaps, if that's not the reason, then maybe it's simply down to which side of the road the motrorists drive on, or perhaps whether you're planning on leaving the EU, what constitutes illegal state support and what doesn't constitute illegal state support.
I don't know but I doubt the state aid for DB, EDF, SNCF etc is illegal in EU law. The UK has a totally different mindset as regards industry, it's ownership, it's protection and projection of soft power through it. We are proponents of totally free trade, which has resulted in much of our manufacturing and infrastructure being flogged off to global companies, some state or quasi state owned, with the result that profits fall into the hands of )already) wealthy individuals and foreign governments. The UK is a pushover for global companies and aggressive governments.

Is that a sensible way to run a country and it's economy? Probably not, but we are wedded to it.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 08:32
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And proof, if proof were needed:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47609536

Surely permitting a major alternative to the domination of US organisations is reckless, but did HMG intervene? I don't know, but I doubt it. Would the French or Germans have? Sure they would.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 09:32
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Do we have anything left to sell? There must come a point when the family silverware chest has been completely emptied.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 09:36
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Come to think of it, the Disney Corporation might be interested in the Palace of Westminster. It would make a great fantasy theme park.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 09:54
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Come to think of it, the Disney Corporation might be interested in the Palace of Westminster. It would make a great fantasy theme park.
Cue Peter Fluck and Roger Law?
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 10:14
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
Cue Peter Fluck and Roger Law?
Not any more. The real thing is beyond parody.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 10:32
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post



Back to the old give me proof from a factual source nonsense again. Every engineer deals with negatives every day. We use von mises stress to give pretty pictures to the clueless. If you want something positive just square it and then take the root again..
This is the most telling thing ever about Brexiters. Proof? Nonsense, just believe, that's all you need. Perversely, it leads us to agreement - you definitely don't live on the same planet.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 10:35
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Not any more. The real thing is beyond parody.
very true...

MPs decide they don’t need to take back the control they had once voted to take back
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-pathos-handle
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 10:58
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So the DUP want a seat at the trade talks as the cost of supporting May's Deal (version 3) which doesn't seem unreasonable to them I'm sure. It will elicit howls of "me too" from Plaid Cymru and the SNP though..... Reuters
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 10:59
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With Theresa willing to splash the cash DUP wards the opportunity to get her deal through is staring her in the face. Offer the 20 Labour MP's in the most Leave seats £1billion a piece for their support. Assuming 40,000 households per constituency that would be 25 grand per household as a really decent bribe. In places like Sunderland that would buy you a house. Has the added advantage it would destroy the Labour Party. Go on Theresa, make our day!
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 11:13
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/b...-and-disorder/

.......”THE ITALIAN ISSUE: MEP Elmar Brok, the EPP’s Brexit coordinator, told Deutschlandfunk there are “very different views” among EU governments when it comes to the extension — and hinted Rome might veto Britain’s request as a favor to League leader Matteo Salvini’s brother-in-arms and Brexiteer Nigel Farage.......”
Talking of Brok, yet another slimeball politico with his nose in the trough.

https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu...ts-allegations




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Old 18th Mar 2019, 13:25
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Another view from Europe, albeit with some less than flattering comments from Matthew Parris..:

Theresa May's Brexit Disaster - SPIEGEL ONLINE
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 13:32
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Read that at the weekend. Matthew Parris is a scrupulously polite man. You can measure the intensity of feeling by the words he uses in that piece.

Elsewhere, the WAPO not holding back either.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.4d39de422051
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 14:03
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Another view from Europe, albeit with some less than flattering comments from Matthew Parris..:

Theresa May's Brexit Disaster - SPIEGEL ONLINE

While everyone knows quite how I feel about the EU, as an outsider looking in to the absolute bolleaux that Brexit seems to have become I can't help thinking that 99% falls on PM May's shoulders and it is her own, personal incompetence and some of her fifth columnist colleagues which is the root of the problem.

I suppose that there is an element of ' well, she did her best and under the circumstances....' which might excuse her a tiny bit, but to me and millions like me who had such hopes that Brexit would kick some sense into the blockheads in Brussels, there is a growing feeling that by allowing them to walk all over her and her so-called Brexit advisors she's actually strengthened what was undoubtedly their very precarious positions and at the same time encouraged the UK's Remainers to spout off about what a stupid decision Brexit was because the UK can't do this, won't be able to that, etc, etc, when all it needed was a firm f*ck you, EU, from the very beginning and the past two years would have been a totally different course of events.

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Old 18th Mar 2019, 14:05
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Another view from Europe, albeit with some less than flattering comments from Matthew Parris..:

Theresa May's Brexit Disaster - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Makes one want to weep

The United Kingdom isn't yet out of the EU. But the country has already dramatically lost importance on the world stage. After this week's voting marathon, the fate of Theresa May and her government are now even more dependent on the goodwill of Brussels. Given the current situation, the EU won't make things easier for the Brits.
And yet there are those who are still pleased to have brought us to this state.


Or claim to be - I do wonder.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 14:22
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
While everyone knows quite how I feel about the EU, as an outsider looking in to the absolute bolleaux that Brexit seems to have become I can't help thinking that 99% falls on PM May's shoulders and it is her own, personal incompetence and some of her fifth columnist colleagues which is the root of the problem.

I suppose that there is an element of ' well, she did her best and under the circumstances....' which might excuse her a tiny bit, but to me and millions like me who had such hopes that Brexit would kick some sense into the blockheads in Brussels, there is a growing feeling that by allowing them to walk all over her and her so-called Brexit advisors she's actually strengthened what was undoubtedly their very precarious positions and at the same time encouraged the UK's Remainers to spout off about what a stupid decision Brexit was because the UK can't do this, won't be able to that, etc, etc, when all it needed was a firm f*ck you, EU, from the very beginning and the past two years would have been a totally different course of events.
Brexit Bingo:

May's fault. Check.
Fifth columnist ministers. Check
So called advisors. Check.

Absolutely no introspection. Every. Single. Time.


Leavers blaming everyone but themselves for this mess is a daily racing cert.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 14:38
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Keep your friends close and . . .

I think she tried keeping Boris et al in the tent, and parking him away in the FCO was probably inspired, but she picked her friends badly.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 15:12
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Leavers blaming everyone but themselves for this mess is a daily racing cert.
Why on earth would we need to blame anyone for the country leaving no deal as we want?

I would have liked the country to have gone full pelt preparing for the obvious no deal exit from the day after art 50 was issued. But its not my problem that politically that was deemed to be impossible.
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