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Old 17th Mar 2019, 18:00
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"The Long March (UK version ) Day 2. "

Sadly, there is some rather detrimental comment about the Guardian in this report.....but, he's got a point. Why get soaked for nothing ! Anyway, fulsome and lavish praise for Nige and his "true grit "......yep, that's the sort of dynamic leader the UK needs !..start something, only to quietly slither off before appearing at the end to claim the credit !

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...without-farage
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 18:11
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ďMy main reason for doing this is weíve got a democracy and parliament is overthrowing democracy,Ē
Funny that.
I thought that Parliament was comprised of democratically elected members, who will be answerable to their constituents at the next election.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 18:31
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Nah we just ignore most of your mutterings, they are pretty meaningless anyway and not going to change a thing that will happen in 12 days time.
Ummm, that is exactly what I said you genius! And I see you're back on the tick tock. We'll see about that.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 18:43
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Presumably Tesco has now come on board the Theresa BRINO deal. That's some climb down.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 18:44
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you will see about nothing. What's going to happen will happen.

Anyway the majority of the damage has been done already and even if the UK does stay in the relationship will be that destroyed that it will be pretty dysfunctional and do more damage to the EU than if the UK leaves.

Its pretty much win or win now for leave. The only difference will be the damage done to both entity's. Staying in will produce more damage.

No chance still recon it will be leave on the day at the hour with no deal.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 19:01
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Dreamland!
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 19:11
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Absolutely nothing needs to happen for it to occur.

They are already saying that its impossible to get the deal through now in time for the exit date.

It is law that the UK leaves on the 29th of March. To change that it needs a similar process to occur the same as for the deal to go through.

I suspect it going to be nightmare land for you remains no doubt with a last min bit of excitement thinking you have succeeded stopping it. Only to be beaten by the tick tock.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 19:54
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Some musings after a chilled-out day:

Those numpties in Westminster both remain and leave have played a blinder, they have ruled out a second referendum, a GE, Article 50 revocation, and in their minds no deal (despite this being the legal default position if a deal is not agreed after 2 years ending March 29th), they also donít accept the only deal that will ever be on the table, so when they turn it down next week what other option is there? any delay will only leave you at the end of it in exactly the same position as now, which will be accept the only deal on the table or default exit out, what other options would there likely to be then?

The EU has, quite rightly, stuck to protecting themselves and the EU constitution, if I was them I would stop the UK taking the proverbial out of them and state quite clearly that if you do not accept the only deal you will legally, IAW Article 50, default out at the end of the month, especially as we are told the UK will not affect them by leaving, and they, unlike the UK, have prepared for a no deal exit.

I cannot understand why they are happy to waste time and money dragging this out past the end of the month when it must be obvious to them that the Westminster lot could not agree to have, or organise, a piss up in a brewery.

If we do leave it will be up to businesses to step up to the challenge of sorting things out until the country gets MPís in that can run this country by themselves, not for themselves.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 20:11
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The EU hasn't got nearly enough ready for a crash out. You could argue its got more done than the UK but your arguing about not enough V a little bit more than not enough.

The stuff it has done was done to late to make a difference anyway .

And they are not happy, but they are letting the EC deal with things. I suspect though at least one if not more who don't have to much invested in the UK import market will say no to both extended period and short term. Which is where I think the brief last min bit of excitement will come from. With an announcement a few hours before exit time that its not going to happen.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 20:33
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Wait a minute...

The bit I donít understand is this.

If MPs had approved TMs deal a few days ago we would have Brexited on time.

If they accept it next week (about 2-3 weeks after the last vote) we will need to delay Brexit by 3 months to get all the necessary paperwork signed.

Iím not a rocket scientist, but I donít understand the maths here.

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Old 17th Mar 2019, 20:42
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Its because the remain MP's are holding onto the dream that they can get it cancelled. So will vote anything that takes the country out down. SNP will vote against anything the government wants on a point of principle.

The excuse that the country is not ready they have been using for the last 2 years and when ever the government tries to get stuff ready for a no deal exit, they make life a difficult as possible to prevent it.

So it leaves a small group of leavers basically in charge of what happens.

The deal is utter crap and will lock the UK into the EU until Ireland is reunified. So its a no go because its not leaving.

All along there is a presumption of what the EU will do if the remainers get their way. And absolutely zero talk about how the UK is going to manage fitting back into the EU setup after all the dirty water that's gone under the bridge.

The maths doesn't work but they won't come to terms with that fact until the minute the UK leaves the EU.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 22:46
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
It is law that the UK leaves on the 29th of March. To change that it needs a similar process to occur the same as for the deal to go through.
Nope. To pass the #brexit laws will take weeks, to pass Jo Maugham's remain law will take half an hour in each chamber - you can read it in less than a minute.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 22:57
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More fairy tales.

Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Its because the remain MP's are holding onto the dream that they can get it cancelled. So will vote anything that takes the country out down. SNP will vote against anything the government wants on a point of principle.
The ERG sunk May's deal twice. Your heroes had their chance to let you say tick tock with credibility & failed. Twice. Screw them.


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The excuse that the country is not ready they have been using for the last 2 years and when ever the government tries to get stuff ready for a no deal exit, they make life a difficult as possible to prevent it.
Parallel universe bullshit. I literally can't believe you live in the same planet as me, observed the same events & came up with this revisionist guff,


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So it leaves a small group of leavers basically in charge of what happens.
Who voted against the agreement twice.


Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
The deal is utter crap and will lock the UK into the EU until Ireland is reunified. So its a no go because its not leaving.
But you just said it's remain MP's holding it up. MAKE YOUR MIND UP.


Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
All along there is a presumption of what the EU will do if the remainers get their way. And absolutely zero talk about how the UK is going to manage fitting back into the EU setup after all the dirty water that's gone under the bridge.
Hey let's try and prove a negative, In your case, best google that I reckon..[/QUOTE]


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Old 18th Mar 2019, 00:05
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You know leaving the EU for you Brits, while stupid and damaging and the product of years of lies, cant and hubris didn't have to be a complete disaster. But your politicians managed it somehow and are now .... I was going to say laughing stock but it's not funny.

Not even slightly amusing.

I note that one of the arguments, indeed perhaps the main argument against a second referendum is that it would cause the British public to lose faith in democracy. A bizarre notion because a public vote is the epitomy of democracy even a second time around.

But it presupposes that people haven't already lost faith in their parliament whose incompetence is laid bare for all to see.

Meanwhile other countries look on and wonder what on Earth has happened to the English and it is the English who appear to have lost it completely. Despite being a beacon of democracy and freedom over centuries.

A no deal brexit while bad for many countries is almost apocalyptic for Britain. Yet its considered a good idea by many.

In a way I almost wish for a no deal. A disaster is always interesting to watch. It will effect me little so I can watch it unfold like a bad B movie. One implausible sequence of events after another except real people will suffer, ironically most likely leave voters.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 03:09
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The ERG sunk May's deal twice.
Nope even if they had voted for it they don't have the numbers to get it through with the remains voting against it.

literally can't believe you live in the same planet as me,
I am definitely not.... thankfully.

Who voted against the agreement twice.
yep because it doesn't actually allow the UK to leave the EU.

But you just said it's remain MP's holding it up
Nothing is being held up. The UK is leaving at the same time and date as it was 2 years ago. Its situation normal, every tick tock is one second nearer.

best google that I reckon
Back to the old give me proof from a factual source nonsense again. Every engineer deals with negatives every day. We use von mises stress to give pretty pictures to the clueless. If you want something positive just square it and then take the root again..

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Old 18th Mar 2019, 06:03
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Ably assisted by Boris during his cameo appearance at JCB.....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-deal-cartoon

Meanwhile ......

"Dear Phil.

Which budget can we deplete this time to bung Arlene a few more quid ?.....no need for precise figures, anywhere around the odd £bn will be fine.

Luv n hugs

Treeza "

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Old 18th Mar 2019, 06:14
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Gertrude,

Revocation of A50 is not that simple. Theoretically it may be possible by the PM either following a simple vote in the HoC, or by the passing of a Statutory Instrument by the ESIC (EU Statutory Instrument Committee), but they can be delayed by an objection, or it might require another referendum - see article below.

I am am unsure what process would/will be required for the PM to gain HoC approval for any conditions that the EU might lay down for granting an extension, particularly if, as reported in the press, they attempt to lay down conditions tying the hands of parliament or a future PM on matters such as the UK participation on voting in any future EU budgets or UK financial liabilities.

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/revoking-artic...e-ecjs-ruling/

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Old 18th Mar 2019, 06:46
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What an absolute a***hole Boris is. Whatever you think of May, and few think more badly of her than me, to attempt to scupper her for clearly personal gain is a real snake in the grass operation. If he ever does get to be leader I would forsake my sworn intent not to vote for Corbyn to thwart this evil nincompoop.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 06:55
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https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/b...-and-disorder/

.......”THE ITALIAN ISSUE: MEP Elmar Brok, the EPP’s Brexit coordinator, told Deutschlandfunk there are “very different views” among EU governments when it comes to the extension — and hinted Rome might veto Britain’s request as a favor to League leader Matteo Salvini’s brother-in-arms and Brexiteer Nigel Farage.......”
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 07:03
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Two opinion polls yesterday suggesting that the two main parties are once again neck and neck. Interestingly both have been forced down to the low 30's % with a large tranche of those questioned moving towards the centre ground. That 10% Tory lead was clearly an outlier, probably due to poor methodology.
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