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Old 17th Mar 2019, 22:46
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
It is law that the UK leaves on the 29th of March. To change that it needs a similar process to occur the same as for the deal to go through.
Nope. To pass the #brexit laws will take weeks, to pass Jo Maugham's remain law will take half an hour in each chamber - you can read it in less than a minute.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 22:57
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More fairy tales.

Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Its because the remain MP's are holding onto the dream that they can get it cancelled. So will vote anything that takes the country out down. SNP will vote against anything the government wants on a point of principle.
The ERG sunk May's deal twice. Your heroes had their chance to let you say tick tock with credibility & failed. Twice. Screw them.


Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
The excuse that the country is not ready they have been using for the last 2 years and when ever the government tries to get stuff ready for a no deal exit, they make life a difficult as possible to prevent it.
Parallel universe bullshit. I literally can't believe you live in the same planet as me, observed the same events & came up with this revisionist guff,


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So it leaves a small group of leavers basically in charge of what happens.
Who voted against the agreement twice.


Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
The deal is utter crap and will lock the UK into the EU until Ireland is reunified. So its a no go because its not leaving.
But you just said it's remain MP's holding it up. MAKE YOUR MIND UP.


Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
All along there is a presumption of what the EU will do if the remainers get their way. And absolutely zero talk about how the UK is going to manage fitting back into the EU setup after all the dirty water that's gone under the bridge.
Hey let's try and prove a negative, In your case, best google that I reckon..[/QUOTE]


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Old 18th Mar 2019, 00:05
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You know leaving the EU for you Brits, while stupid and damaging and the product of years of lies, cant and hubris didn't have to be a complete disaster. But your politicians managed it somehow and are now .... I was going to say laughing stock but it's not funny.

Not even slightly amusing.

I note that one of the arguments, indeed perhaps the main argument against a second referendum is that it would cause the British public to lose faith in democracy. A bizarre notion because a public vote is the epitomy of democracy even a second time around.

But it presupposes that people haven't already lost faith in their parliament whose incompetence is laid bare for all to see.

Meanwhile other countries look on and wonder what on Earth has happened to the English and it is the English who appear to have lost it completely. Despite being a beacon of democracy and freedom over centuries.

A no deal brexit while bad for many countries is almost apocalyptic for Britain. Yet its considered a good idea by many.

In a way I almost wish for a no deal. A disaster is always interesting to watch. It will effect me little so I can watch it unfold like a bad B movie. One implausible sequence of events after another except real people will suffer, ironically most likely leave voters.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 03:09
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The ERG sunk May's deal twice.
Nope even if they had voted for it they don't have the numbers to get it through with the remains voting against it.

literally can't believe you live in the same planet as me,
I am definitely not.... thankfully.

Who voted against the agreement twice.
yep because it doesn't actually allow the UK to leave the EU.

But you just said it's remain MP's holding it up
Nothing is being held up. The UK is leaving at the same time and date as it was 2 years ago. Its situation normal, every tick tock is one second nearer.

best google that I reckon
Back to the old give me proof from a factual source nonsense again. Every engineer deals with negatives every day. We use von mises stress to give pretty pictures to the clueless. If you want something positive just square it and then take the root again..

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Old 18th Mar 2019, 06:03
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Ably assisted by Boris during his cameo appearance at JCB.....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-deal-cartoon

Meanwhile ......

"Dear Phil.

Which budget can we deplete this time to bung Arlene a few more quid ?.....no need for precise figures, anywhere around the odd £bn will be fine.

Luv n hugs

Treeza "

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...er-brexit-deal

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Old 18th Mar 2019, 06:14
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Gertrude,

Revocation of A50 is not that simple. Theoretically it may be possible by the PM either following a simple vote in the HoC, or by the passing of a Statutory Instrument by the ESIC (EU Statutory Instrument Committee), but they can be delayed by an objection, or it might require another referendum - see article below.

I am am unsure what process would/will be required for the PM to gain HoC approval for any conditions that the EU might lay down for granting an extension, particularly if, as reported in the press, they attempt to lay down conditions tying the hands of parliament or a future PM on matters such as the UK participation on voting in any future EU budgets or UK financial liabilities.

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/revoking-artic...e-ecjs-ruling/

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Old 18th Mar 2019, 06:46
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What an absolute a***hole Boris is. Whatever you think of May, and few think more badly of her than me, to attempt to scupper her for clearly personal gain is a real snake in the grass operation. If he ever does get to be leader I would forsake my sworn intent not to vote for Corbyn to thwart this evil nincompoop.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 06:55
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https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/b...-and-disorder/

.......”THE ITALIAN ISSUE: MEP Elmar Brok, the EPP’s Brexit coordinator, told Deutschlandfunk there are “very different views” among EU governments when it comes to the extension — and hinted Rome might veto Britain’s request as a favor to League leader Matteo Salvini’s brother-in-arms and Brexiteer Nigel Farage.......”
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 07:03
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Two opinion polls yesterday suggesting that the two main parties are once again neck and neck. Interestingly both have been forced down to the low 30's % with a large tranche of those questioned moving towards the centre ground. That 10% Tory lead was clearly an outlier, probably due to poor methodology.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 07:29
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
I can only think that it is in the very best traditions of British ' Fair Play '

Until the UK does actually get round to leaving the EU - 29th March, but which year ? - then the EU's rules and directives will continue to be implemented and obeyed in a way that most other members of the EU usually manage to ignore.
Exactly as stated by Douglas Hurd.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 07:42
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At last a demonstrably false fact:


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literally can't believe you live in the same planet as me,
I am definitely not.... thankfully.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 08:21
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
Aah....

Meanwhile the German Government has coughed up billions for 100% State owned Deutsche Bahn to become one of the biggest global transport and logistics companies ; likewise the French Government has poured billions into EDF and SNCF to have a major stake in the UK's infrastructure ; and the Italian Government's never ending financial support for Alitalia ( which I don't object to, by the way, but there are rules, apparently )....

All that I can suggest is that maybe it depends which language you speak or, perhaps, if that's not the reason, then maybe it's simply down to which side of the road the motrorists drive on, or perhaps whether you're planning on leaving the EU, what constitutes illegal state support and what doesn't constitute illegal state support.
I don't know but I doubt the state aid for DB, EDF, SNCF etc is illegal in EU law. The UK has a totally different mindset as regards industry, it's ownership, it's protection and projection of soft power through it. We are proponents of totally free trade, which has resulted in much of our manufacturing and infrastructure being flogged off to global companies, some state or quasi state owned, with the result that profits fall into the hands of )already) wealthy individuals and foreign governments. The UK is a pushover for global companies and aggressive governments.

Is that a sensible way to run a country and it's economy? Probably not, but we are wedded to it.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 08:32
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And proof, if proof were needed:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47609536

Surely permitting a major alternative to the domination of US organisations is reckless, but did HMG intervene? I don't know, but I doubt it. Would the French or Germans have? Sure they would.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 09:32
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Do we have anything left to sell? There must come a point when the family silverware chest has been completely emptied.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 09:36
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Come to think of it, the Disney Corporation might be interested in the Palace of Westminster. It would make a great fantasy theme park.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 09:54
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Come to think of it, the Disney Corporation might be interested in the Palace of Westminster. It would make a great fantasy theme park.
Cue Peter Fluck and Roger Law?
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 10:14
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Cue Peter Fluck and Roger Law?
Not any more. The real thing is beyond parody.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 10:32
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post



Back to the old give me proof from a factual source nonsense again. Every engineer deals with negatives every day. We use von mises stress to give pretty pictures to the clueless. If you want something positive just square it and then take the root again..
This is the most telling thing ever about Brexiters. Proof? Nonsense, just believe, that's all you need. Perversely, it leads us to agreement - you definitely don't live on the same planet.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 10:35
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Not any more. The real thing is beyond parody.
very true...

MPs decide they donít need to take back the control they had once voted to take back
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-pathos-handle
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 10:58
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So the DUP want a seat at the trade talks as the cost of supporting May's Deal (version 3) which doesn't seem unreasonable to them I'm sure. It will elicit howls of "me too" from Plaid Cymru and the SNP though..... Reuters
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