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Old 17th Mar 2019, 16:15
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I thought the Waldorf was a hotel in New York and that Stadtler made elevators. I'll stick with the raj please. Those who dissented were executed by having elephants kneel on them until they were squashed all over the mangos, monkey food with sauce. There you are, history, animal rights, vegan cuisine and home care guidance for recalcitrant staff all wrapped up in one sentence with some New York tourism thrown in for your intellectual honesty shortfalls.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 16:16
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Why are they trying to enforce an ECJ judgement that will be irrelevant should Brexit happen, apart from the usua! suspect with their wheelbarrows for money.
Because in theory the ECJ could impose fines which because they were issued pre exit they would claim would need to be paid...

Best just suspend it for this year and after the 29th of March they can carry on. Once its past 29th of March they can't do anything.

Two banks on life support in Germany discussing merging..... But I suspect the result will need bailed out itself quiet soon after it happens as there is zero chance of euro interest rates going up in the next 5 years
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 16:19
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
That was my source and my question. Why are they trying to enforce an ECJ judgement that will be irrelevant should Brexit happen, apart from the usua! suspect with their wheelbarrows for money.

I can only think that it is in the very best traditions of British ' Fair Play '

Until the UK does actually get round to leaving the EU - 29th March, but which year ? - then the EU's rules and directives will continue to be implemented and obeyed in a way that most other members of the EU usually manage to ignore.

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Old 17th Mar 2019, 16:23
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It appears that the May deal now hinges on the size of the bribe she can come up with for the DUP. My own feeling is that a Border Poll cannot be far behind.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 16:27
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having a quick google on the subject it appears that a green energy company from the from the UK took it to the high court who then bounced it to the ECJ for a ruling.

So its a UK court that imposing it

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Old 17th Mar 2019, 16:31
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And we're back on to the evils of the EU. This afternoon's exchanges have really driven home how much leavers hate the dreary inadequacies of their enterprise being pointed out, ecere time it happens, the arguments are ignored, the barracking starts. Set your watch by it.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 17:15
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
I live in England mate. How about you?
OK....You mean everyone in England is white ??

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Old 17th Mar 2019, 17:17
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This afternoon's exchanges have really driven home how much leavers hate the dreary inadequacies of their enterprise being pointed out, ecere time it happens, the arguments are ignored, the barracking starts. Set your watch by it.
Nah we just ignore most of your mutterings, they are pretty meaningless anyway and not going to change a thing that will happen in 12 days time.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 17:51
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Just to add to the fun, it seems "Big Dazza and co. ", not content with slammin gears an chewin diesel " now have plans to ensure certain arterial routes are brought to a complete standstill....Highways England already have this expertise however.....and thus proudly announce their intentions in advance.

Readers will notice said routes are already jammed solid anyway, so it will be hard to tell the difference. but it's reassuring to see an unnamed " national organiser" has the legalities all sorted out....

This extract is from the Excess......which means the authenticity, if any, cannot be confirmed.....

" The plan to “bring this country to its knees” and urged Brexiteers across the country to get involved.
A statement posted by the group on Twitter read: “Brexiteers all over the country are planning to bring this country to its knees by blocking the main arterial routes - M1, M6 M25, M62, A1, A55, M5, M4, M42, M55, M61, A66 etc.
“If you live close to one of these major motorways and are willing to take part then prepare to move at short notice.”
It added: “Don’t worry about the legal side of things, the national organiser is sorting that out
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I wonder why the M2 and M20 are excluded from the list? .
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 18:00
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"The Long March (UK version ) Day 2. "

Sadly, there is some rather detrimental comment about the Guardian in this report.....but, he's got a point. Why get soaked for nothing ! Anyway, fulsome and lavish praise for Nige and his "true grit "......yep, that's the sort of dynamic leader the UK needs !..start something, only to quietly slither off before appearing at the end to claim the credit !

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...without-farage
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 18:11
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“My main reason for doing this is we’ve got a democracy and parliament is overthrowing democracy,”
Funny that.
I thought that Parliament was comprised of democratically elected members, who will be answerable to their constituents at the next election.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 18:31
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Nah we just ignore most of your mutterings, they are pretty meaningless anyway and not going to change a thing that will happen in 12 days time.
Ummm, that is exactly what I said you genius! And I see you're back on the tick tock. We'll see about that.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 18:43
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Presumably Tesco has now come on board the Theresa BRINO deal. That's some climb down.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 18:44
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you will see about nothing. What's going to happen will happen.

Anyway the majority of the damage has been done already and even if the UK does stay in the relationship will be that destroyed that it will be pretty dysfunctional and do more damage to the EU than if the UK leaves.

Its pretty much win or win now for leave. The only difference will be the damage done to both entity's. Staying in will produce more damage.

No chance still recon it will be leave on the day at the hour with no deal.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 19:01
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Dreamland!
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 19:11
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Absolutely nothing needs to happen for it to occur.

They are already saying that its impossible to get the deal through now in time for the exit date.

It is law that the UK leaves on the 29th of March. To change that it needs a similar process to occur the same as for the deal to go through.

I suspect it going to be nightmare land for you remains no doubt with a last min bit of excitement thinking you have succeeded stopping it. Only to be beaten by the tick tock.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 19:54
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Some musings after a chilled-out day:

Those numpties in Westminster both remain and leave have played a blinder, they have ruled out a second referendum, a GE, Article 50 revocation, and in their minds no deal (despite this being the legal default position if a deal is not agreed after 2 years ending March 29th), they also don’t accept the only deal that will ever be on the table, so when they turn it down next week what other option is there? any delay will only leave you at the end of it in exactly the same position as now, which will be accept the only deal on the table or default exit out, what other options would there likely to be then?

The EU has, quite rightly, stuck to protecting themselves and the EU constitution, if I was them I would stop the UK taking the proverbial out of them and state quite clearly that if you do not accept the only deal you will legally, IAW Article 50, default out at the end of the month, especially as we are told the UK will not affect them by leaving, and they, unlike the UK, have prepared for a no deal exit.

I cannot understand why they are happy to waste time and money dragging this out past the end of the month when it must be obvious to them that the Westminster lot could not agree to have, or organise, a piss up in a brewery.

If we do leave it will be up to businesses to step up to the challenge of sorting things out until the country gets MP’s in that can run this country by themselves, not for themselves.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 20:11
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The EU hasn't got nearly enough ready for a crash out. You could argue its got more done than the UK but your arguing about not enough V a little bit more than not enough.

The stuff it has done was done to late to make a difference anyway .

And they are not happy, but they are letting the EC deal with things. I suspect though at least one if not more who don't have to much invested in the UK import market will say no to both extended period and short term. Which is where I think the brief last min bit of excitement will come from. With an announcement a few hours before exit time that its not going to happen.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 20:33
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Wait a minute...

The bit I don’t understand is this.

If MPs had approved TMs deal a few days ago we would have Brexited on time.

If they accept it next week (about 2-3 weeks after the last vote) we will need to delay Brexit by 3 months to get all the necessary paperwork signed.

I’m not a rocket scientist, but I don’t understand the maths here.

BV
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 20:42
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Its because the remain MP's are holding onto the dream that they can get it cancelled. So will vote anything that takes the country out down. SNP will vote against anything the government wants on a point of principle.

The excuse that the country is not ready they have been using for the last 2 years and when ever the government tries to get stuff ready for a no deal exit, they make life a difficult as possible to prevent it.

So it leaves a small group of leavers basically in charge of what happens.

The deal is utter crap and will lock the UK into the EU until Ireland is reunified. So its a no go because its not leaving.

All along there is a presumption of what the EU will do if the remainers get their way. And absolutely zero talk about how the UK is going to manage fitting back into the EU setup after all the dirty water that's gone under the bridge.

The maths doesn't work but they won't come to terms with that fact until the minute the UK leaves the EU.
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