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Old 17th Mar 2019, 13:51
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post

Americans have always found the derision occasioned by the unprincipled corruption of their legislators to be annoying so it's a great shame that the country that provided the world with a long piece of decorated paper in 1215 should now have a Parliament that has demonstrated not only its lack of principle but that has as the leaders of the political parties gathered there, a motley are crew of the most abjectly useless politicians that surely ever congregated in a place of self worship.
The ever growing chorus of this line of thinking puts one in mind of a child whose ice cream has been confiscated. One of the undeniable side effects of Brexit is a severe shortage of self awareness. Not for your leaver any introspection on how the glorious PM set out in her Lancaster house speech to create a new country, Unicornia where we would stop the darkies coming in, boot out the ECJ but keep hold of all the glorious trade facilities that have given the Gammon all their cherished material comforts for decades.

No, we have a cohort of angry old white men on the whole, who refuse to acknowledge their main narratives were wrong, wholly & completely wrong.

Fastest deals in history.
Never accounted for Northern Ireland
Never accounted for customs
Relied on a tiny number of unworthy economists, Minford, Howe, Rotherham to underpin their beliefs.

Turns out we aren't an island nation, who knew? Not Vote leave, that's for sure. Anyway, I digress. As Brexit stumbles towards it's inevitable wheezy conclusion, we see an upswing in those same angry, old white men embarrassing themselves in public, no more the benefits of Brexit - we never hear those any more - but tragically reduced to whipping up ever louder noises of how the EU is a racket, of how Parliament is spineless when in actual fact, it's doing exactly what leavers said for years it couldn't.

What's missing here in spades is intellectual honesty, the recognition that the project as presented is unworkable & always was. You might have pulled it off with compromise, quid pro quo but this? Nope. If we go with a deal, then we're damaged, If we go without one, we're damaged. That's what you want, you actually wish harm on your country in pursuit of some nebulous, vague notion of sovereignty that leavers have demonstrated with depressing predictability is wholly biddable to them in any event. What a farce.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 13:57
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Yeah..but who does he think is the old boss, and who does is think will be the new boss, and will they be the same?

....I can't explain..
I think we had better ask Behind Blue Eyes!
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 15:29
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Parapunter,

Angry old white men? Please be careful with genetic stereotypes. There are a lot of angry old salted caramel chocolate chip cookies on the shelves at Waitrose these days and I could be one of them although I prefer to be referred to as a Krispy Kreme Donut.
I would say though that it is ironic that Parliament in the UK has behaved in as craven a way as the UK press has often accused the US house of behaving. I'd also say that it's jolly funny to see that Terese May is every bit as toxically useless as the London press has always called El Trumpo, who is, as a sideline and at least in certain parts of the Adirondacks, a revered leader which is a lot more than La May is, even in the heathen wastelands of Ulster.
The Lancaster House speech would have been a nice way forward and one wonders why the volte face happened after such a heady mix of hypnotic hyperbole? Perhaps it goes to show that women should be dissuaded from changing their minds once they've had a good idea.
As for the benefits of Brexit? It looks as though you'll never know. I suspect though that the poor pummelled Poms are going to get a fair sampling of what Remainer interference is going to have done to the otherwise rather better situation that was sketched out at Lancaster House. That of course is pure speculation . It might be wonderful, to remain a slave state to an evil empire ruled by a demagogic triumvirate based in a land far away.

I personally think it is more likely that looking back in history, the British people are more likely to say:
'I do wish we'd left when we had the chance'
than they ever are to say:
'Thank goodness we stayed, let's have a cup of tea.'

Kerry Packer type bets considered on this?
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 15:36
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I do like it when you kick off with a complaint about stereotyping and end by describing 27 sovereign states in a rules based organisation as an evil empire.

You are, seemingly unwittingly making my point for me. And I thank you for that.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 15:48
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Right, this has absolutely nothing to do with politics, or Brexit.......hence the reason it's getting posted on here because it's worth a laugh.....of course, once we curtail FOM, there's no way that goat could get from Saddleworth to Sale !.....and Metrolink have probably sent a notice of intended prosecution for fare dodging and trespass by now knowing them...

There again, said goat does remind me of the UK's negoatiators......lost and bemused, but totally indifferent ....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-eng...sale-tram-stop
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 15:52
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Angry old white men? Please be careful with genetic stereotypes.

Not the first time.

Maybe, just maybe, he's not white himself, which might explain a lot, even if he is undoubtedly angry....
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 15:57
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
Angry old white men? Please be careful with genetic stereotypes.

Not the first time.

Maybe, just maybe, he's not white himself, which might explain a lot, even if he is undoubtedly angry....
Nope, he's very white and very middle aged. He just happens to hate himself for it.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 16:02
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
UK Courts required to implement an ECJ judgement

[url]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/12/29/uk-power-plants-threat-eu-subsidy-ban/
That was my source and my question. Why are they trying to enforce an ECJ judgement that will be irrelevant should Brexit happen, apart from the usua! suspect with their wheelbarrows for money.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 16:04
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
Angry old white men? Please be careful with genetic stereotypes.

Not the first time.

Maybe, just maybe, he's not white himself, which might explain a lot, even if he is undoubtedly angry....
I live in England mate. How about you?
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 16:06
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Parapunter,

I think the Rajahs, Maharajahs and assorted rulers of India would have considered their sovereign states to be part of an evil empire ruled, run, raped and ravished by the British.
Vassal statehood has been an historical norm for millennia. My hypotheses is that Britain is about to discover new levels of self recrimination in that regard. Only history, as in the sub continental Indian case in point, will reveal the answer.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 16:11
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Parapunter,

I think the Rajahs, Maharajahs and assorted rulers of India would have considered their sovereign states to be part of an evil empire ruled, run, raped and ravished by the British.
Vassal statehood has been an historical norm for millennia. My hypotheses is that Britain is about to discover new levels of self recrimination in that regard. Only history, as in the sub continental Indian case in point, will reveal the answer.
That you consider that a valid comparison is quite the revelation. Again, I asked for some intellectual honesty & in return I get Waldorf & Stadtler lobbing underpowered ad homs & you going on about the Raj. Amazing.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 16:15
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I thought the Waldorf was a hotel in New York and that Stadtler made elevators. I'll stick with the raj please. Those who dissented were executed by having elephants kneel on them until they were squashed all over the mangos, monkey food with sauce. There you are, history, animal rights, vegan cuisine and home care guidance for recalcitrant staff all wrapped up in one sentence with some New York tourism thrown in for your intellectual honesty shortfalls.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 16:16
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Why are they trying to enforce an ECJ judgement that will be irrelevant should Brexit happen, apart from the usua! suspect with their wheelbarrows for money.
Because in theory the ECJ could impose fines which because they were issued pre exit they would claim would need to be paid...

Best just suspend it for this year and after the 29th of March they can carry on. Once its past 29th of March they can't do anything.

Two banks on life support in Germany discussing merging..... But I suspect the result will need bailed out itself quiet soon after it happens as there is zero chance of euro interest rates going up in the next 5 years
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 16:19
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
That was my source and my question. Why are they trying to enforce an ECJ judgement that will be irrelevant should Brexit happen, apart from the usua! suspect with their wheelbarrows for money.

I can only think that it is in the very best traditions of British ' Fair Play '

Until the UK does actually get round to leaving the EU - 29th March, but which year ? - then the EU's rules and directives will continue to be implemented and obeyed in a way that most other members of the EU usually manage to ignore.

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Old 17th Mar 2019, 16:23
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It appears that the May deal now hinges on the size of the bribe she can come up with for the DUP. My own feeling is that a Border Poll cannot be far behind.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 16:27
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having a quick google on the subject it appears that a green energy company from the from the UK took it to the high court who then bounced it to the ECJ for a ruling.

So its a UK court that imposing it

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Old 17th Mar 2019, 16:31
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And we're back on to the evils of the EU. This afternoon's exchanges have really driven home how much leavers hate the dreary inadequacies of their enterprise being pointed out, ecere time it happens, the arguments are ignored, the barracking starts. Set your watch by it.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 17:15
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
I live in England mate. How about you?
OK....You mean everyone in England is white ??

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Old 17th Mar 2019, 17:17
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This afternoon's exchanges have really driven home how much leavers hate the dreary inadequacies of their enterprise being pointed out, ecere time it happens, the arguments are ignored, the barracking starts. Set your watch by it.
Nah we just ignore most of your mutterings, they are pretty meaningless anyway and not going to change a thing that will happen in 12 days time.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 17:51
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Just to add to the fun, it seems "Big Dazza and co. ", not content with slammin gears an chewin diesel " now have plans to ensure certain arterial routes are brought to a complete standstill....Highways England already have this expertise however.....and thus proudly announce their intentions in advance.

Readers will notice said routes are already jammed solid anyway, so it will be hard to tell the difference. but it's reassuring to see an unnamed " national organiser" has the legalities all sorted out....

This extract is from the Excess......which means the authenticity, if any, cannot be confirmed.....

" The plan to “bring this country to its knees” and urged Brexiteers across the country to get involved.
A statement posted by the group on Twitter read: “Brexiteers all over the country are planning to bring this country to its knees by blocking the main arterial routes - M1, M6 M25, M62, A1, A55, M5, M4, M42, M55, M61, A66 etc.
“If you live close to one of these major motorways and are willing to take part then prepare to move at short notice.”
It added: “Don’t worry about the legal side of things, the national organiser is sorting that out
"
I wonder why the M2 and M20 are excluded from the list? .
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